Hard carbon removing, help!

[Paddyd]

I start at the neck/leade area and go a few inches in, pull back and increase the depth into the barrel a couple inches with each stroke, finally stopping just short of the crown (I have my cleaning rod marked so it's not a guess) then take 4-5 full length strokes and then finally all the way out. Wet and dry patch, look with the bore scope, repeat if necessary. Also, patch on jag, not on brush with abrasives for me. I will use patch on brush for higher solvent retention, though (Boresmith jag brush).

If your brush is straight and true to the rod and rod properly sized to the bore, you will not harm the crown since only the bristles will contact the crown.

 

[Bora72]

Chamber plug and bore solvent soak. So many different ways to get that barrel clean.

You use to plug the chamber without remove the barrel from the action?
If yes can you expander n Better or make a video please?

 

[Bora72]

With a JB'd patch on a bronze brush, you can easily reverse the brush in the bore. I do it routinely in the first 5-6" of the barrel. You can let it come all the way out the muzzle or not. Both ways work.

For regular cleaning with a bronze brush, you don't want to try to reverse the brush direction when it's in the bore. Ditto the blue Iosso brushes.

Okay, you can't do it with the Iosso brush unless you enter Beast mode!

 

[AlNyhus]

Okay, you can't do it with the Iosso brush unless you enter Beast mode!

Yes...as I mentioned.

 

[ronemus]

You can't hurt the barrel. JB's abrasive material breaks down fairly quickly in the carrier material...you'll see it change to an oily type appearance as that happens.

The two JB formulas are very different - the Bore Paste is pumice (soft gray porous volcanic rock) and a very mild abrasive, but the Bore Bright is considerably harder and although very fine can do some damage if overused. You definitely want to choose the right one for the job at hand. I only ever use Bore Paste because I keep on top of the cleaning, but I might try Bore shine if I inherited a really dirty barrel.

 

[Martin52]

You use to plug the chamber without remove the barrel from the action?
If yes can you expander n Better or make a video please?

Use one of these, close the bolt on it and pour in solvent from the muzzle with the barrel upright.

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If you can't get a proper chamber plug, you might be able to use a foam ear plug instead.

 

[Bora72]

Use one of these, close the bolt on it and pour in solvent from the muzzle with the barrel upright.

SINCLAIR INTERNATIONAL SINCLAIR CHAMBER PLUG

Check out SINCLAIR INTERNATIONAL SINCLAIR CHAMBER PLUG available Online at Brownells Today and many more Gun Bore Guides products are available in our Tools & Cleaning Department.

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If you can't get a proper chamber plug, you might be able to use a foam ear plug instead.

Hello thanks for the advice on ear plug.

I think that I can find the plug on Brownells store, I think that the 308 family (30-06 , 6,5 Creed , 243,..) can make a goog job.

What do you think if I plug on the muzzle one leg chair plug and full througth the chamber for prevent any infiltration of solvents into the action?

 

[Kracken McGraw]

If you just want to long soak with solvent just by patches, halfway through your allotted time you can wet patch again and flip rifle scope down in your cradle to let gravity do its thing.

 

[Infrequent Shooter]

Reading this thread a second or third time helps. And reading the Frank Green pages explains a lot.

 

[AlNyhus]

The two JB formulas are very different - the Bore Paste is pumice (soft gray porous volcanic rock) and a very mild abrasive, but the Bore Bright is considerably harder and although very fine can do some damage if overused. You definitely want to choose the right one for the job at hand. I only ever use Bore Paste because I keep on top of the cleaning, but I might try Bore shine if I inherited a really dirty barrel.

Yes...Bore  Paste is what you want to use for carbon removal.

 

[Bora72]

I have a question that might seem shocking or obvious to many, but I'm asking anyway because I have some doubts...

Can a sequence of 25 or 30 shots fired a minute or less apart accentuate or even cause stubborn, difficult-to-remove carbon buildup?

 

[Longtrain]

Can a sequence of 25 or 30 shots fired a minute or less apart accentuate or even cause stubborn, difficult-to-remove carbon buildup?

My days of rapid fire XTC are past, now everything is slow fire, so to speak. Carbon always showed up, to say that your firing sequence can help minimize carbon buildup up, maybe I guess, but, rapid fire will certainly not do the throat any good and to boot, probably does add more pre-diamond hard carbon to the mix. Want to shorten a barrel’s life, mag dump as a routine will keep Kreiger, Brux and Bartlein very happy. Layer upon layer of carbon over time is not fun to remove.

 

[Bora72]

My days of rapid fire XTC are past, now everything is slow fire, so to speak. Carbon always showed up, to say that your firing sequence can help minimize carbon buildup up, maybe I guess, but, rapid fire will certainly not do the throat any good and to boot, probably does add more pre-diamond hard carbon to the mix. Want to shorten a barrel’s life, mag dump as a routine will keep Kreiger, Brux and Bartlein very happy. Layer upon layer of carbon over time is not fun to remove.

Thanks for your contribution!

Some time the time for the string a the range are much lesser than the necessary...

 

[jelenko]

Just to confirm Longtrain's comment about rapid fire in XTC. We shoot 10 shots in 60 or seconds.

Firing a round a little less than every minute is much less as far as the barrel is concerned.

 

[Jeff Porter]

Concentrated nitric acid will dissolve carbon (I'm a chemist by the way), but it will dissolve the bore as well; we're limited by what barrel steel will tolerate.

How about carbon tetrachloride ? Like dissolves like ?

 

[DShortt]

The only way I have found to be effective in removing hard carbon is JB Bore Paste and elbow grease. Learned that on this very forum.
I haven't found a thing that will 'dissolve' it. But I've not tested everything. I have tested a lot.

 

[Longtrain]

How about carbon tetrachloride ? Like dissolves like ?

Wasn’t that in the original Hoppe’s #9? I think that or something like that, that really worked to clean barrels was removed by the gov’t back in the 60’s? Everyone using it developed a twitch or an extra eye or limb? Whatever it was supposedly really cleaned barrels without a lot of fuss and muss.

 

[ronemus]

How about carbon tetrachloride ? Like dissolves like ?

Nope - hard carbon isn't quite diamond, but it's a heavily cross-linked very large molecule and isn't soluble; you have to break it down mechanically or chemically. Unfortunately anything that will chemically degrade hard carbon will also do a number on barrel steel.

 

[Martin52]

Hello thanks for the advice on ear plug.

I think that I can find the plug on Brownells store, I think that the 308 family (30-06 , 6,5 Creed , 243,..) can make a goog job.

What do you think if I plug on the muzzle one leg chair plug and full througth the chamber for prevent any infiltration of solvents into the action?

If you can order the correct size chamber plug I recommend you do that and just wait a few days for delivery. It will make life easier.

 

[Murray Brook]

Hello thanks for the advice on ear plug.

I think that I can find the plug on Brownells store, I think that the 308 family (30-06 , 6,5 Creed , 243,..) can make a goog job.

What do you think if I plug on the muzzle one leg chair plug and full througth the chamber for prevent any infiltration of

When I soak my barrels I now use the Sinclair chamber plug. When I first did this filling from the chamber I use to put a tight fitting ballon over the muzzle and use black electric tape wrapped real tight to hold it in place. I always placed a container under the muzzle. This also worked good. JMW