Does Anyone use Airguns on this Forum?

[dgeesaman]

I don’t have any FWB 124’s in my collection. I have 14 springers.
11 Weihrauch’s
1 Air Arms
1 Diana RWS
1 Daisy Red Ryder

Gotcha, the 4th and 5th from the right looked like FWB 124 because of the white lined butt cap and shoulder pad. I wasn’t looking closely enough. They must be HWs then.

 

[tmwinds]

Gotcha, the 4th and 5th from the right looked like FWB 124 because of the white lined butt cap and shoulder pad. I wasn’t looking closely enough. They must be HWs then.

That’s a pair of Weihrauch 35-E’s. If or when you decide to purchase a springer, Google Krale Shooting. They are located in The Netherlands. The usually have a good price and it will be at your door in 3-4 days.

 

[JEFFPPC]

If I had to pick 3 to keep, it would be the following.
Low price-Weihrauch HW-30. Around $300. Low power, accurate and a child can cock it.
Mid price-Weinrauch HW-97K. Around $700. Quality built and super accurate.
Higher price-Weihrauch HW-100 PCP. Around $1400.

As you can see from my favorites, I like Weihrauch’s but I also own Air Arms and Diana’s.

Get the Weirauch 97. You won't need a pump or compressor, nor a bottle, nor a moderator. Just a tin of pellets. Trigger will go to a couple ounces and in factory tune it will take a top end PCP to outshot it. Yes there is a learning curve but it's very rewarding. Nothing wrong with a PCP but might as well get a .22lr.

 

[dgeesaman]

I only have one springer at the moment, a Diana 34 in a 36 stock.

I did shoot an R7 a couple weeks ago. Compact, solid, accurate.

If I add another spring to my collection I'd like a Theoben gas ram or an AA Pro Elite to replace the one I sold many years ago.

 

[Sanctify7]

Get the Weirauch 97. You won't need a pump or compressor, nor a bottle, nor a moderator. Just a tin of pellets. Trigger will go to a couple ounces and in factory tune it will take a top end PCP to outshot it. Yes there is a learning curve but it's very rewarding. Nothing wrong with a PCP but might as well get a .22lr.

Greetings.
I am not sure why you feel that getting a PCP is redundant and a .22 LR will suffice instead? There is a lot of turf between a .22 LR and a slew of PCPs. My PCPs and my Ruger 10/22 LR are not alike in power, noise, context versatility, legal applications, etc. The same applies to my .17 HMR.

Did I read you incorrectly?
Thanks. S7

 

[Sanctify7]

Get the Weirauch 97. You won't need a pump or compressor, nor a bottle, nor a moderator. Just a tin of pellets. Trigger will go to a couple ounces and in factory tune it will take a top end PCP to outshot it. Yes there is a learning curve but it's very rewarding. Nothing wrong with a PCP but might as well get a .22lr.

I am not buying another airgun for a while, but I am getting a bit interested in the Weirauchs spoken about here. As I said earlier, I never owned a Springer.

Thanks. S7

 

[JEFFPPC]

Greetings.
I am not sure why you feel that getting a PCP is redundant and a .22 LR will suffice instead? There is a lot of turf between a .22 LR and a slew of PCPs. My PCPs and my Ruger 10/22 LR are not alike in power, noise, context versatility, legal applications, etc. The same applies to my .17 HMR.

Did I read you incorrectly?
Thanks. S7

No not really. Basically as an alternative to a PB I see pcps as an easy button with similar performance. With the springers all you need is a tin of pellets. Out to 50 yds they are very close to the other options. Yes there is a learning curve but that was interesting to me. I see lots of pics of guys bragging about 25 yard groups with lower end pcps that I would be very unhsppy with with my springers. As stated before the big gain for me.....I need pellets....period. For a brick of premium 22 ammo or the price of a good compressor or bottle I can shoot thousands upon thousands of pellets.For $160.00 I just bought 12000 pellets. I have killed squirrls, groundhogs, and peasants out to 50 yards no problem. Easy button a PPC, a friend just bought a top end one plus a compressor ( lower end) and bottle. It's nice, accurate and easy....over 3000.00 invested without scope and mount. No electricity, no air, out of business. I think experiences with cheap springers as kids scare a lot of people off. Oh, my buddy with the 2000.00 air rifle wants the trigger off my springer....under 2 oz. With both styles, no reloading and almost no cleaning.

 

[Jim Hankins]

No not really. Basically as an alternative to a PB I see pcps as an easy button with similar performance. With the springers all you need is a tin of pellets. Out to 50 yds they are very close to the other options. Yes there is a learning curve but that was interesting to me. I see lots of pics of guys bragging about 25 yard groups with lower end pcps that I would be very unhsppy with with my springers. As stated before the big gain for me.....I need pellets....period. For a brick of premium 22 ammo or the price of a good compressor or bottle I can shoot thousands upon thousands of pellets.For $160.00 I just bought 12000 pellets. I have killed squirrls, groundhogs, and peasants out to 50 yards no problem. Easy button a PPC, a friend just bought a top end one plus a compressor ( lower end) and bottle. It's nice, accurate and easy....over 3000.00 invested without scope and mount. No electricity, no air, out of business. I think experiences with cheap springers as kids scare a lot of people off. Oh, my buddy with the 2000.00 air rifle wants the trigger off my springer....under 2 oz. With both styles, no reloading and almost no cleaning.

I've owned both - springers were RWS 45 and 54 and 3 Beeman R10's,all .177. I currently have a Benjamin.25 Marauder that I have squirrel hunted with for the last 8 years. After owning a PCP, you couldn't give me a springer. I've also killed raccoons,crows , possums and feral cats. Don't shoot groundhogs and peasants are protected

 

[JEFFPPC]

I've owned both - springers were RWS 45 and 54 and 3 Beeman R10's,all .177. I currently have a Benjamin.25 Marauder that I have squirrel hunted with for the last 8 years. After owning a PCP, you couldn't give me a springer. I've also killed raccoons,crows , possums and feral cats. Don't shoot groundhogs and peasants are protected

Was testing pellets to day at 20 meters/22 yards. The 2 best flat face bounce back and forth between the R10 RWS and the H&N. The groups shown with this are not the best group I shot with them today but I decided to shoot 1 group with each to show, no cherry picking. The best dome is the AA 10.33. The group shown is a good one but I had 3 more just a few thousandth bigger. It shoots good even when it shoots bad in this gu Diana 75 , .177. Rings are notebook paper reinforcement rings, same thing I use with my bench guns. These are all 5 shots.

 

[Sanctify7]

No not really. Basically as an alternative to a PB I see pcps as an easy button with similar performance. With the springers all you need is a tin of pellets. Out to 50 yds they are very close to the other options. Yes there is a learning curve but that was interesting to me. I see lots of pics of guys bragging about 25 yard groups with lower end pcps that I would be very unhsppy with with my springers. As stated before the big gain for me.....I need pellets....period. For a brick of premium 22 ammo or the price of a good compressor or bottle I can shoot thousands upon thousands of pellets.For $160.00 I just bought 12000 pellets. I have killed squirrls, groundhogs, and peasants out to 50 yards no problem. Easy button a PPC, a friend just bought a top end one plus a compressor ( lower end) and bottle. It's nice, accurate and easy....over 3000.00 invested without scope and mount. No electricity, no air, out of business. I think experiences with cheap springers as kids scare a lot of people off. Oh, my buddy with the 2000.00 air rifle wants the trigger off my springer....under 2 oz. With both styles, no reloading and almost no cleaning.

Thanks for the comments.
While I have a fair deal that I could say, I am presently content to travel the route of congeniality. Let’s say, if you will, that both types of airguns have their place and their aficionados. S7

 

[JEFFPPC]

Thanks for the comments.
While I have a fair deal that I could say, I am presently content to travel the route of congeniality. Let’s say, if you will, that both types of airguns have their place and their aficionados. S7

I agree.

 

[balloonpilot9513]

I did a pretty good dive into air rifles about a year ago.
Was looking at pcp's but ran into the issue of living in New Jersey. The gun restricting nuts in Jersey see a moderator as a suppressor (which are also a no no).
Problem with springers is the barrel has to be over 16" as air rifles are also subject to all powder rifles laws.
I asked forums on multiple sites if anyone could give me names/models of rifles that don't use moderators.
Searched manufacturer sites and could not get any clear answers so I gave up.
Would still be interested in info though. Hint Hint!!

PS, I can't wait to get out of this state!!!

 

[Sanctify7]

I did a pretty good dive into air rifles about a year ago.
Was looking at pcp's but ran into the issue of living in New Jersey. The gun restricting nuts in Jersey see a moderator as a suppressor (which are also a no no).
Problem with springers is the barrel has to be over 16" as air rifles are also subject to all powder rifles laws.
I asked forums on multiple sites if anyone could give me names/models of rifles that don't use moderators.
Searched manufacturer sites and could not get any clear answers so I gave up.
Would still be interested in info though. Hint Hint!!

PS, I can't wait to get out of this state!!!

I am not the most knowledgeable guy about this matter, but I am nearly positive that there are a good deal of airguns without moderators and with barrels under 16 inches. Hopefully, someone can chime in with specifics. And I guess you are referring to a dedicated moderator and not to shrouded barrels too, as they are different. S7

 

[JEFFPPC]

I did a pretty good dive into air rifles about a year ago.
Was looking at pcp's but ran into the issue of living in New Jersey. The gun restricting nuts in Jersey see a moderator as a suppressor (which are also a no no).
Problem with springers is the barrel has to be over 16" as air rifles are also subject to all powder rifles laws.
I asked forums on multiple sites if anyone could give me names/models of rifles that don't use moderators.
Searched manufacturer sites and could not get any clear answers so I gave up.
Would still be interested in info though. Hint Hint!!

PS, I can't wait to get out of this state!!!

A quick check shows a Beeman R9 and Diana 54 with barrels over 16 in length. I regularly shoot my 54 in .22 at 100yds. There are options.i am sure there are others. I checked 4 and 2 of them are over 16.

 

[Sanctify7]

A quick check shows a Beeman R9 and Diana 54 with barrels over 16 in length. I regularly shoot my 54 in .22 at 100yds. There are options.i am sure there are others. I checked 4 and 2 of them are over 16.

I did a pretty good dive into air rifles about a year ago.
Was looking at pcp's but ran into the issue of living in New Jersey. The gun restricting nuts in Jersey see a moderator as a suppressor (which are also a no no).
Problem with springers is the barrel has to be over 16" as air rifles are also subject to all powder rifles laws.
I asked forums on multiple sites if anyone could give me names/models of rifles that don't use moderators.
Searched manufacturer sites and could not get any clear answers so I gave up.
Would still be interested in info though. Hint Hint!!

PS, I can't wait to get out of this state!!!

Oh! After reading JEFFPCP”s post, and then reading yours again, I think you need a barrel over 16 inches? If so, I mistook what you said. For a PCP, the Benjamin Marauder barrel is 18 inches, I believe, its shroud is very effective at noise dampening—one of the very best on the entire market—and it doesn’t require a moderator (or, more to the point, it does not have have an integral moderator, per se). I do think you would like this gun. I just sold two excellent ones on another forum. S7

 

[brokeasajoke]

Any tips on shooting a springer?

 

[dgeesaman]

Any tips on shooting a springer?

Get to know it. Springers are a dynamic system - a lot moves around before the pellet is free from the barrel. The most popular method is a loose hold aka the “artillery hold” because you allow and can feel the recoil in your hands. Definitely an extended follow through holding point of aim. You still need to move your hands around to find where each gun is most happy.

I’m more of a pragmatist - I hold my poa plenty long to see how the crosshairs moved during the shot cycle and where finally settled after the shot. I’m looking for a hold where the crosshairs really don’t move. It could be with shoulder contact, without, firm grip, light grip, etc. I’ve found my hold when gun recoils forward and backward but the poa is as constant as possible. That’s been my approach and it’s a lot easier than trying different holds and judging based on the size of the groups.

Also check that all screws are tight and your scope and mount are not moving.

David

 

[JEFFPPC]

Any tips on shooting a springer?

First off buy a gun that will work for your needs. I shoot benchrest with mine. A 200.00 break barrel will not work for that. It will work to hit a soup can at 20 yards or so. The information from dgeesaman is very good. I wanted to shoot br so I bought an underlever. Most of the roughly 20 shooters in our area shoot either an Air Arms TX200 or a Weirauch 97. Ck out Pyrmid Air web site. I shoot my Tx just like my bench guns. Pretty much free recoil set up like a regular rifle. I tried different methods until I found out what works for me. Some of the guys hold their gun pretty hard, for me that does not work. Some guys use a cheek weld, I don't. I also have 2 side lever guns. One of them shoots consistent 5 shot groups less than .1, in the zeros, at 20 meters. There is a learning curve, they WILL teach you bench manners.....or show you how bad yours are, lol. No reloading, almost no cleaning, .003 per shot, pretty quiet, deadly on rodents.

 

[Liven The Dream]

Crossman 22 Pump.
Rat Rifle. 6-7 Pumps

 

[Thauglor]

The benefit of using an air rifle is you can shoot in your own back yard, since very few people live in an area they can shoot real firearms from.

Just yesterday I did ta 160 shot silhouette match in the back yard (well front shooting into the back, I am sure I got a few looks)