Sweets 7.62 isn't cutting it.

[JEFFPPC]

What cleaning product reduces steel to a blue color?

Well, when I question I test . So whatever you use, try it and then you will know first hand and can speak with confidence on what you like. I mentioned this to another local shooter who tried it and said he had suspected the same thing and he know knows.

 

[Joe Maisto]

Or waste no more time and order some JB Bore Cleaner. When you want all the copper out right now this is the one. No soaking, no waiting, just a little scrubbing and the copper is gone. Quick disclaimer...if you don't have a borescope you will not know when it's really all gone. However, JB will get every molecule out.

Edit: The first question you should be asking everyone who comes up with a "solution" to the copper remover question is: what kind of borescope do you own?? If they don't own one or at least have access then I wouldn't put much stock in their so-called "solution" to the problem....for the record, mine is a Hawkeye. Once upon a time before I bought the scope I too thought I had the problem solved.

Most of us don't know what all Mr. Jim Probst put into this solution, but I began using the original back in the 60's. It worked then as it appears to work now. That with Butches bore shine first, and don't worry about it.

 

[Dave Way]

KG12 is the fastest copper remover I have found. It has no ammonia. I follow the one shot/clean break in procedure until no more copper is present between shots and I have for years. This used to take a full 8 hours at the range, sometimes longer

On one barrel after finding KG12, although not recommended, I decided to use a bronze brush with KG12 between shots. Be ready to throw out the brush after break in but now I can break in a barrel in 2-3 hours.

Every barrel broken in this way had no noticeable copper build up for at least 400 rounds. All have shot exceptionally well.

Dave.

 

[K22]

Rifle cleaning - ok guys. Take the DARE

Do an internet search and read the various "expert" claims on the "proper" way to clean a rifle barrel.

Because of lousy weather that has kept me indoors for most of this winter I did the search for fun or torture. I watched about 20 different video's, a few from well know sources in the shooting world. Guess what? There was quite a wide diverse opinion on the "proper" way. If you want to watch one that will totally blow you away watch the one by gunblue490 on "solvents" and "the professional way to clean a rifle barrel." This guy is not a "crack pot" either, he has an impressive resume with extensive experience at the professional level.

All I'm saying is that the "proper" way is the way that gives YOU the best performance results.

The only reason I like Bore Tech Cu+2 is that it is odorless and non-toxic. It does a good job of removing copper. Is it the best? I don't know but it works well enough.

Next question - is really best to remove copper down to bare metal? I don't know. I plan to test gunblue490's claim this summer on one of my rifles. Let you know what I find out.

PS: I hate cleaning guns so the simplest and easiest and cheapest is best for me.

 

[johara1]

KG12 is the fastest copper remover I have found. It has no ammonia. I follow the one shot/clean break in procedure until no more copper is present between shots and I have for years. This used to take a full 8 hours at the range, sometimes longer

On one barrel after finding KG12, although not recommended, I decided to use a bronze brush with KG12 between shots. Be ready to throw out the brush after break in but now I can break in a barrel in 2-3 hours.

Every barrel broken in this way had no noticeable copper build up for at least 400 rounds. All have shot exceptionally well.

Dave.

I found the opposite, it did next to nothing. Put a weighed bullet in and let it soak over night and I put a weighed bullet in Warthog 1134 and weigh both after drying them. The one in Warthog 1134 lost 3.5 gr. and the one in KG12 maybe a .1...... no free lunch...... Also I was getting 3000 rounds out of the barrels .... jim

 

[Racebannon3855]

When you think Sweets removed all the carbon wet the bore with a Hopper Kroil mix, let it soak for 3 days, brush with a good bronze brush then patch it out. You might be surprised. Now I will add to this conversation if your a clean every 100 rounds guy I would not be limiting myself to just chemicals. JB and Isso are part of my arsenal also, used and cleaned out properly. I will add if you spend one evening after a match on your barrel, I doubt it's clean unless your leaning hard on Isso or JB, maybe not the best route to follow on a regular basis.

The next time I am really gonna try to get the carbon out I will follow Erik Cortina's lead and try CLR. One of my friends likes the Kroil mix, it does a nice job in his 22-250 Ackley.

As hard as it is to find shooting supplies at this time, if a guy only has Sweet's it is way better than not having it. In my experience it works better while the barrel is still warm.

Stay Healty!

 

[INTJ]

I know some serious ones that do clean every relay...... jim

Nah, that's just a myth.......

It would be hard to do in an NBRSA match. I am not so sure about other organizations.

 

[INTJ]

KG12 is the fastest copper remover I have found. It has no ammonia. I follow the one shot/clean break in procedure until no more copper is present between shots and I have for years. This used to take a full 8 hours at the range, sometimes longer

On one barrel after finding KG12, although not recommended, I decided to use a bronze brush with KG12 between shots. Be ready to throw out the brush after break in but now I can break in a barrel in 2-3 hours.

Every barrel broken in this way had no noticeable copper build up for at least 400 rounds. All have shot exceptionally well.

Dave.

Just to throw out as data points......

I too have found KG-12 to be an excellent chemical copper remover, better than the rest of the chem only removers.

As to barrel break in, I quit breaking in barrels at least 20 years ago. I get excellent accuracy and get zero copper in my 6 BRA barrels. In other barrels I sometimes get a little, but it is inconsequential.

 

[6MMsteve]

scrubbing bubbles is the best...just don't feed them

 

[Dusty Stevens]

scrubbing bubbles is the best...just don't feed them

Windex is the next big thing in rifle cleaning. Not that california compliant no ammonia stuff i mean the real deal.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

The next time I am really gonna try to get the carbon out I will follow Erik Cortina's lead and try CLR. One of my friends likes the Kroil mix, it does a nice job in his 22-250 Ackley.

As hard as it is to find shooting supplies at this time, if a guy only has Sweet's it is way better than not having it. In my experience it works better while the barrel is still warm.

Stay Healty!

Don't tell them about CLR after trying it....

What I found with sweets is it appears to work best for me if you can get it nice and foamy in the barrel.
I apply it on a felt pellet and work the barrel up and down for a while to to get the Sweets foamy and let it sit for 10/15min and patch her out, it usually only takes one application.

 

[johara1]

Nah, that's just a myth.......

It would be hard to do in an NBRSA match. I am not so sure about other organizations.

Why is that?They still have to give a set amount of time even if there are only 2 relays. Stop talking and and clean the barrel...... jim

 

[p-man]

JEFFPPC, my Sweets is pretty old stuff and it's possible they've "detuned" the original recipe over the years. My experience with the dulled bores after Sweet's happened in the 70s and early 80s - both times that came to mind were CM Douglas barrels that were special-ordered to get lapped. I remember in those days, SS barrels came lapped, and CM had pay extra for it. Both were 308s from the same gun club. Both were left with soaked barrels for several days. The bore weren't too shiny afterwards but they still shot well. Yeah, the copper was gone

 

[Twicepop]

Windex is the next big thing in rifle cleaning. Not that california compliant no ammonia stuff i mean the real deal.

I used to shoot at a black powder club and most said that was their "secret weapon" for bore cleaning/swabbing. Take a gallon of distilled water, pour out the equivalency of a large bottle of the real deal Windex and pour that into the distilled water and there's your bore cleaner.

 

[MGYSGT]

Rem 40X cleaner. Wrap a patch around an old brush and wala clean barrel

 

[divingin]

On one barrel after finding KG12, although not recommended, I decided to use a bronze brush with KG12 between shots. Be ready to throw out the brush after break in but now I can break in a barrel in 2-3 hours.

I've done that on occasion; I always rinse the brush out with a lot of clear running water afterwards (usually just after finishing the cleaning, occasionally during the cease fire if it comes before I'm done.) Brushes last a little longer that way.

 

[justinp61]

Thanks guys, looks like I'll just use the JB Bore Paste and toss the Sweets.

 

[INTJ]

Why is that?They still have to give a set amount of time even if there are only 2 relays. Stop talking and and clean the barrel...... jim

We go as fast as we can between rounds. There is 10 minutes between light gun and heavy gun. Why would anyone want to ruin their accuracy by cleaning the rifle when it doesn't need cleaned?

Also, why would anyone clean their rifle when they are finished shooting it for the day when they need to get their heavy gun ready?

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Montana extreme copper killer and bronze brushes are my thing, its all I use. Rarely need JB anymore. Brake clean the brush after use and it will last 3 cleanings. You need to brush to help scratch up the surface of the copper to allow the solvent to work. I find just patching takes forever.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Montana extreme copper killer and bronze brushes are my thing, its all I use. Rarely need JB anymore. Brake clean the brush after use and it will last 3 cleanings. You need to brush to help scratch up the surface of the copper to allow the solvent to work. I find just patching takes forever.

I tape a water bottle onto the leg of the table and swish the brush around in it. They last even longer that way