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[garandman]

I’ve got the Zelle app on my phone but never used it. Does anyone know their position on gun-related transactions?

Zelle is anti- fun.

Just found this;

https://www.guntab.com/payment-platform-firearm-policies

 

[garandman]

Pro gun. I know nothing about them:

https://www.guntab.com/

 

[L.Sherm]

You certainly did ! how far did it have to go? I shipped 2 rifles recently both were over $70 with full insurance UPS

Lee

Insurance USPS is 15.00 a 1,000 so that can add up quick, could be a 1,000 rifle or 5,000 makes a difference.

 

[Ol’ Ed]

Pro gun. I know nothing about them:

https://www.guntab.com/

Thanks, Garandman. Maybe we should all sign up for Guntab.

 

[garandman]

@Ol' Ed.... Im researching it

 

[GSS]

Reading thru this it has gotten confusing but,,, just thinking...

I agree this looks like a possible scammer but..

Is it possible the original seller is legit ?

Seller posted item for sale,
buyer sent pay pal payment to wrong address,
seller never got payment, why would seller ship item they never got paid for?

OP / 1lessdog won't post the sellers name ( forum code name ) and I'm not going looking for it.

Others have said the seller that never sent the item has been viewing this thread.

If I was the seller and I never got paid I wouldn't ship the item either.

Then again if I were the seller and was involved in this problem I would do all possible to resolve the issue with the buyer and paypal
If i were the seller and I am an honest person that is reading along on this thread i would certainly chime in with my side of the story.

To the Seller,,,,
If you at reading this thread and you are an honest person please speak up here and inform us of your side of the story.

Going on 6 pages of discussion on this topic obviously members here are interested...

Thanks,
George

 

[natdscott]

If you paid a fee, you used a credit card right? Call your credit card. Dont tell them you were buying a gun or gun part. Just tell them you sent the money to the wrong person and paypal wont help.

Sure. Yeah. Fuck the Bank. They can take it. Right?


Right???

No. That's bullshit.

Don't LIE and drag down another business with your own LIE.


Just tell the Bank what happened, leave out the gun part thing, and ask what they can do with Paypal. It may be something, it may be nothing, but there's no good reason to stick it to another business.

We do sometimes get different answers from places like Paypal than you do as a consumer. Call it "leverage".

-Nate

 

[Jdne5b]

Sure. Yeah. Fuck the Bank. They can take it. Right?


Right???

No. That's bullshit.

Don't LIE and drag down another business with your own LIE.


Just tell the Bank what happened, leave out the gun part thing, and ask what they can do with Paypal. It may be something, it may be nothing, but there's no good reason to stick it to another business.

We do sometimes get different answers from places like Paypal than you do as a consumer. Call it "leverage".

-Nate

Simmer down hot sauce.

That's not what I said, and none of it was a lie. It was the same as your leaving out the gun part. Which is pretty much what I said.

Most instances in a credit card dispute, which is what this is, the bank (actually Visa, Mastercard, discover) will collect the funds from Paypal and Paypal will reverse from the user. No one gets fucked except the person keeping funds not due to them.

 

[natdscott]

Simmer down hot sauce.

That's not what I said, and none of it was a lie. It was the same as your leaving out the gun part. Which is pretty much what I said.

Most instances in a credit card dispute, which is what this is, the bank (actually Visa, Mastercard, discover) will collect the funds from Paypal and Paypal will reverse from the user. No one gets fucked except the person keeping funds not due to them.

It IS a lie.

It's the "sent the money to the wrong person" that is the lie. The "gun part", or the good being purchased, whatever it is, is not the Bank's business, so long as it was not in fact delivered to their customer; to a Banker, that is only omission of facts irrelevant to the fraud being committed.

The "wrong person" lie COMPLETELY changes the discussion. It is the difference between the remitter (Bank customer) being an idiot and sending money the wrong place vs and the seller committing fraud.

HUGE difference in how those can be handled with an insurance organization such as FDIC.


-Nate

 

[22DASHER]

Well in this case we don’t know the seller committed fraud by setting up a second similar email. That is pure assumption at this time. Right now all we know is that the buyer sent money to the seller to the specified email, which was the wrong person. Could have been a typo, could have also been on purpose, no one knows yet. Good thing it was “only” $300 though.

 

[Jdne5b]

It IS a lie.

It's the "sent the money to the wrong person" that is the lie. The "gun part", or the good being purchased, whatever it is, is not the Bank's business, so long as it was not in fact delivered to their customer; to a Banker, that is only omission of facts irrelevant to the fraud being committed.

The "wrong person" lie COMPLETELY changes the discussion. It is the difference between the remitter (Bank customer) being an idiot and sending money the wrong place vs and the seller committing fraud.

HUGE difference in how those can be handled with an insurance organization such as FDIC.


-Nate

Did he not send it to the wrong person? Because he did, and that is NOT a lie. If he said, the seller gave me the wrong address and the money went to the wrong person would that make you sleep better?

Should he also include the fact that he, and the seller violated Paypals terms of service? Seems like a pretty big lie, I mean omission.

FYI - The FDIC insures accounts against bank failure, not single fraudulent transactions.

 

[300_whisper]

@natdscott how is it lying if we don’t know if the seller committed fraud? What if it’s literally how events played out and there was a typo in the email and it went to the wrong person? How would that be lying? With all the facts presented that’s the most likely case.

All the seller has to say (I don’t agree with it) is well sucks to be you. You should have confirmed the recipient before hitting that send button. The seller technically doesn’t have to do anything. I think the seller *should* fix the issue since he started it with the typo, but the OP is somewhat responsible for not confirming before sending. As far as the seller is concerned no money = no product. How does he know that the OP isn’t lying to him about the sent money? Or that the OP hasn’t already gotten back?

I’m on the OPs side, here, I’m just playing devils advocate. There’s two sides to everything, but there is definitely a better of the two sides if the actions went down as the OP described.

 

[oldman1951]

That's part of the problem, his profile isn't complete. The money was sent to an email address.... where are you going to drive to????

DON'T DEAL WITH SOMEONE WITHOUT AN ADDRESS!!!!

Use a money order or cashiers check....presto...mailing address...

 

[oldman1951]

like not having a product exactly as described!

Did you buy something from me not as described?

 

[natdscott]

Did he not send it to the wrong person? Because he did, and that is NOT a lie.

My mistake. I reread the OP, and I misunderstood his post.

FYI - The FDIC insures accounts against bank failure, not single fraudulent transactions.

While the FDIC does indeed at least hypothetically assure borrowers that their funds in a given member-Bank are safe in the event of a Bank failure, the FDIC is also a defacto regulator of Bank lending behaviors, investment portfolio decisions, consumer safety regulation, and can even effectively shut down a Bank, among other things.

 

[garandman]

To the Seller,,,,
If you at reading this thread and you are an honest person please speak up here and inform us of your side of the story.

Going on 6 pages of discussion on this topic obviously members here are interested...

Thanks,
George

Yeah. Would like to hear, as well.

 

[300_whisper]

Did you buy something from me not as described?

No sorry that was a joke. You said there should be more hangings and I was adding to that saying a perpatraitor should be hanged for not having a product exactly as described. Sorry my joke isnt funny without context or being able to see mannerisms.

 

[WSMNUT]

I’m just reading this. @1lessdog im very sorry for the loss. It’s a shame to have to go to such great links to try to try to get your money back and to protect yourself and others from scammers or possible scammers like the guy who currently has a 204 Ruger Upper posted for sale. I/we appreciate you bringing this up. If there’s anything I can do to help you know how to get in touch with me. I’ll hook you up on the chamber job on your 6mm Ackley to try to help with your loss.

Keep us posted as to what happens

And let me say I ship a lot of gun and gun related parts and it’s hard for me to ship a rifle insured for anything less than $50-$60 but maybe it’s just because I live close to the east coast. I regularly ship rifles that cost closer or more than $100 than $50. Seems like a lot of my Rifles go to west of the Mississippi and it seems to cost much more past that point. So it wouldn’t shock me to have someone quote me +/- $40 to ship an upper to me with insurance.

 

[1lessdog]

@natdscott how is it lying if we don’t know if the seller committed fraud? What if it’s literally how events played out and there was a typo in the email and it went to the wrong person? How would that be lying? With all the facts presented that’s the most likely case.

All the seller has to say (I don’t agree with it) is well sucks to be you. You should have confirmed the recipient before hitting that send button. The seller technically doesn’t have to do anything. I think the seller *should* fix the issue since he started it with the typo, but the OP is somewhat responsible for not confirming before sending. As far as the seller is concerned no money = no product. How does he know that the OP isn’t lying to him about the sent money? Or that the OP hasn’t already gotten back?

I’m on the OPs side, here, I’m just playing devils advocate. There’s two sides to everything, but there is definitely a better of the two sides if the actions went down as the OP described.

Everything that I said is the truth, I have all the PM's from him. I copied and pasted the PayPal address he gave me. I have a PM where he said I made a mistake and misspelled the address.

I talked to Gate City my bank and there treating it as fraud. They are a good banking system, and I believe I will get my money back. I didnt think about contacting my bank till someone said I should.

 

[300_whisper]

Everything that I said is the truth, I have all the PM's from him. I copied and pasted the PayPal address he gave me. I have a PM where he said I made a mistake and misspelled the address.

I talked to Gate City my bank and there treating it as fraud. They are a good banking system, and I believe I will get my money back. I didnt think about contacting my bank till someone said I should.

I know, I am thinking of it from the sellers prespective. I personally think you should get your money back. I hope the bank pulls through.