I may shoot H4198 this w/e

[WyleWD]

We also stayed with 133 all day, lots are telling us to go to 32 powder. Do you think your 133 stayed in tune all day and how can ya tell in winds like we had today?

I used LT32 in a match for the first time this past Saturday. I was well pleased on how it stayed in tune within a given relay. But you're right, once the wind kicks up and the sun goes in and out within a relay, it is rough to tell exactly what is going on. My brother has been using the 32 for 2 years now and he swears by it. FWIW. WD

 

[Link]

I shot a ladder at 300 with 4198 yesterday and 26,0 looked the best . I went as high as 27.5 with no signs of pressure. I tested with 4198 a couple of years ago and some of the guys on here talked me out of it.

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[LHSmith]

I shot a ladder at 300 with 4198 yesterday and 26,0 looked the best . I went as high as 27.5 with no signs of pressure. I tested with 4198 a couple of years ago and some of the guys on here talked me out of it.

Link

See post #10. Those that shoot the PPC religiously actually have a clue as to what works TO AGG day in / day out.......if you're inclined to re-invent the wheel...go for it. You can shoot screamer groups with a lot of powders with the PPC, but can you repeat that performance of smallish groups with any regularity?

 

[AckleymanII]

I shot a ladder at 300 with 4198 yesterday and 26,0 looked the best . I went as high as 27.5 with no signs of pressure. I tested with 4198 a couple of years ago and some of the guys on here talked me out of it.

Link

4198 is what I started shooting back in the 80's. Shot a lot of real small groups.

4198 kinda reminded me of being a Pioneer while crossing the great plains. One minute you are enjoying the scenery, looking forward to a bright future rolling along the prairie enjoying life.

Then in a blink of the eye, you are lying down face first in the dirt with arrows in your back, SCREAMING.....WHY??????

 

[Link]

4198 is what I started shooting back in the 80's. Shot a lot of real small groups.

4198 kinda reminded me of being a Pioneer while crossing the great plains. One minute you are enjoying the scenery, looking forward to a bright future rolling along the prairie enjoying life.

Then in a blink of the eye, you are lying down face first in the dirt with arrows in your back, SCREAMING.....WHY??????

OK once again you guys have got my attention. Are you saying this because of a danger factor [safety ] or the groups will fall apart ? There were no pressure signs at 27.5 so I assume 26.0 would be safe to shoot ? Or not ? I also shot a ladder using Lt 32 up to 29.5 . The H4198 gave a tighter group with less horizontal that I was looking for, plus less vertical. I have shot 133, lt32 and 8208 why is it the powder everyone says not to use seems to shoot the tights' groups, just my luck.
All I want to do is shoot small groups, is that to much to ask lol.
I always appreciate everyone's input.

thanks Link

 

[WyleWD]

OK once again you guys have got my attention. Are you saying this because of a danger factor [safety ] or the groups will fall apart ? There were no pressure signs at 27.5 so I assume 26.0 would be safe to shoot ? Or not ? I also shot a ladder using Lt 32 up to 29.5 . The H4198 gave a tighter group with less horizontal that I was looking for, plus less vertical. I have shot 133, lt32 and 8208 why is it the powder everyone says not to use seems to shoot the tights' groups, just my luck.
All I want to do is shoot small groups, is that to much to ask lol.
I always appreciate everyone's input.

thanks Link

Link, do you happen to have a picture of one of the 4198 groups next to your best load of LT-32 and or N133?

Also, what (all) bullets have you tried? Sorry if you've already posted that and I missed it.

If that 4198 load will shoot day in and day out better than the other 2 then hang with it. Most of the time I take more than one load to a match just in case humidity or something has taken one of them out of tune. And that has happened the last couple weekends..... one was out of tune for conditions and the other was more competitive
Like some of the other posters, it is pretty rare to see anyone at the Super Shoot or anywhere I shoot using 4198 in a ppc.... and I figure there is some good reason for that. WD

 

[Link]

Link, do you happen to have a picture of one of the 4198 groups next to your best load of LT-32 and or N133?

Also, what (all) bullets have you tried? Sorry if you've already posted that and I missed it.

If that 4198 load will shoot day in and day out better than the other 2 then hang with it. Most of the time I take more than one load to a match just in case humidity or something has taken one of them out of tune. And that has happened the last couple weekends..... one was out of tune for conditions and the other was more competitive
Like some of the other posters, it is pretty rare to see anyone at the Super Shoot or anywhere I shoot using 4198 in a ppc.... and I figure there is some good reason for that. WD

14 twist 68 fb Bart. CCI 400, panda. Yes I took pictures but they are to big to download and can't copy n paste or drag and drop. This site is not friendly to me posting pictures like some GGGGrrrrrr. I figure if 27.5 doesn't show pressure I should be safe with 26. ?
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[Link]

14 twist 68 fb Bart. CCI 400, panda. Yes I took pictures but they are to big to download and can't copy n paste or drag and drop. This site is not friendly to me posting pictures like some GGGGrrrrrr. I figure if 27.5 doesn't show pressure I should be safe with 26. ?
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This was shot the same day 60 degrees, wind 15 v to 18 from 8 o'clock. Medium mirage 300 yd

 

[Link]

I would really like more input here. I'm not trying to start anything or beat the horse. I'm just trying to get some ideas. Based on the ladder tests what would you do ?

thanks

 

[Eric Leonard]

I shot 6 rounds this morning with 27.2 trying to get all my brass unloaded,,shot one fouler after cleaning bbl then shot 5 in a light rain that looked to be the best group I ever shot with this rifle,,

I am tempted to try it in a UBR Match but the LT32 is shooting well also in this weather and it comes through my measure on the dot every time,,

evidently people have had bad luck with it in the past keeping it tuned in a 6PPC,,and I have not shot a PPC enough to argue the point,,

 

[LHSmith]

Link- Ditch the ladder test....read Tony Boyers book. I'm betting you shoot only in selected conditions and at only one range venue. You have to understand the "masters" of the sport are almost always tweaking the load in an attempt to keep up with conditions which typically change from 9 am through 3 pm. In a match you only get to pick a condition that presents itself with-in each 7 or 10 min match.
If you are OK with shooting tiny groups only in conditions you feel comfortable with...then go for it, but you'll miss out on learning wind and mirage effects.

 

[Eric Leonard]

I am gonna shoot the LT32 this w/e,,groups look about the same as 133 but the chrono numbers are a lot better,,I almost hate to say how fast they are going but the ES is less than half of the 133 load I shot last Match,,

setteled on 28.7 with the Fed 205 and the 68 JDS BT`s ,,hopefully it wont go haywire too bad,,

 

[D Coots]

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evidently people have had bad luck with it in the past keeping it tuned in a 6PPC,,and I have not shot a PPC enough to argue the point,,[/QUOTE]
When shooting the last 4 aggs at Nationals shooting Lt32 in my rail, I never touched the power measure. Load stayed in tune.
Good luck with the JD's

Dave

 

[BartsBullets]

I shot 6 rounds this morning with 27.2 trying to get all my brass unloaded,,shot one fouler after cleaning bbl then shot 5 in a light rain that looked to be the best group I ever shot with this rifle,,

I am tempted to try it in a UBR Match but the LT32 is shooting well also in this weather and it comes through my measure on the dot every time,,

evidently people have had bad luck with it in the past keeping it tuned in a 6PPC,,and I have not shot a PPC enough to argue the point,,

Eric,

I've shot a lot of LT 32 in competition. LT 32 is easier to keep tuned then 133 as long as it's working. When I go to a match I take both with me. LT32 has treated me very well.

 

[BartsBullets]

OK once again you guys have got my attention. Are you saying this because of a danger factor [safety ] or the groups will fall apart ? There were no pressure signs at 27.5 so I assume 26.0 would be safe to shoot ? Or not ? I also shot a ladder using Lt 32 up to 29.5 . The H4198 gave a tighter group with less horizontal that I was looking for, plus less vertical. I have shot 133, lt32 and 8208 why is it the powder everyone says not to use seems to shoot the tights' groups, just my luck.
All I want to do is shoot small groups, is that to much to ask lol.
I always appreciate everyone's input.

thanks Link

Link,

Take it to a match and shoot it. A reasonable load won't be dangerous. It just may give you a big group or two when the tune goes away. LT 32 and 133 will do the same thing, but not as impressively as 4198 when it leaves.

 

[AckleymanII]

4198 is bi-polar, except you need to take the drugs to deal with it. It will do great for a while, then hurt your feelings real bad. Haywire 200 and 300 yard groups make you start thinking about a new barrel, bad scope, bad lot of bullets, you name it....scrambles your brain and your confidence.

I shot up the remainder of my kegs on P. dog towns in 222's and 223's.

 

[Link]

Thank you gentlemen. This is what I was looking for.

Link