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Berger 25 Cal 135gr LR Hybrid - Anybody get them to shoot?

Weird part for me is with the 131-133-135s, they all shoot better at 500 than 100. Roughly .3 at 500 and .5 at 100. I'll take it for sure and I've heard this about LR VLD style bullets but it's never been so obvious for me as with the .25 caliber VLD bullets.
 
No manches said:
I would like to see that!
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When I started shooting the 6.5-284 using the original 140 VLD, I noticed that the bullets seemed to settle in group wise better at 800 yards than they did at 200-500 yards. 100 yard groups were only for zeroing my scopes. I didn't grade the accuracy based on 100 yard groups. 300 yards was my standard for groups at the starting point. That was a couple decades ago. I've never had any other bullet do that since that original 140 performed that way. Years later I'm seeing this happening again in my 25-284 running the 130 class low drags. Considering it's going out west on a goat hunt, I'm going to use 800 yards as my range to see how these group. I'll start at 500 and finish at 1000. Figure out which of the 3 bullets it likes best. At 200-500 yards, even if they group at .75, I'll be fine. It's the 500+ I'm hoping they settle in and close that group to .3-.5 to 1000 yards. Waiting for some cooler temps to get.
 
alphapygmy said:
Can you give your ballpark load and jump/jam? Thanks
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Missed this response at first. I did one seating depth session at the range, from .025 jump to .065 jump, and I ended up at .055 jump. That said, it's now time I go back and try everything from a firm jam to a .025 jump and see if there is anything good in there.
 
RAG said:
Missed this response at first. I did one seating depth session at the range, from .025 jump to .065 jump, and I ended up at .055 jump. That said, it's now time I go back and try everything from a firm jam to a .025 jump and see if there is anything good in there.
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Powder charge range?

I went this morning and tried a small batch of Varget loaded rounds. Nothing real good but I look to be a little light on charge weight still. My ACE Varget load is 37.3 of Varget and the Bergers started tightening up at 36.9 but I didn't load any higher. Hope I can get these to shoot, I have a thousand of them... It doesn't give me warm fuzzies to see how poorly these have been working for most people.
 
alphapygmy said:
Powder charge range?

I went this morning and tried a small batch of Varget loaded rounds. Nothing real good but I look to be a little light on charge weight still. My ACE Varget load is 37.3 of Varget and the Bergers started tightening up at 36.9 but I didn't load any higher. Hope I can get these to shoot, I have a thousand of them... It doesn't give me warm fuzzies to see how poorly these have been working for most people.
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I've tried from 40.5-41.5 with H4350 )135 Berger of course)....41.0.was best. With AA2700, I've tried everything from 40.4 - 42.6...with 41.9gn being best, with near 1/2 MOA at 500 yards...and 3,037fps.

I dont know...if it does tune out, I think it'll be a tight/finicky window.
 
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While the BC is impressive, I wonder if these Berger 135s, and the Ace 131s for that matter, are just a little too long, making them "finicky". If there is such a thing. Maybe a more conservative length bullet would do the trick. The Berger 115, with a G1 of .465 I think, it a bit low, negating any advantage of shooting the quarter over 6mm. But a 125 grain bullet, could have done the trick, likely with a G1 BC in the .53-.56 range.
 
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RAG said:
While the BC is impressive, I wonder if these Berger 135s, and the Ace 131s for that matter, are just a little too long, making them "finicky". If there is such a thing. Maybe a more conservative length bullet would do the trick. The Berger 115, with a G1 of .465 I think, it a bit low, negating any advantage of shooting the quarter over 6mm. But a 125 grain bullet, could have done the trick, likely with a G1 BC in the .53-.56 range.
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The 115s shot terrible in my 7.5 twist barrel.
 
All else being equal..get a good micrometer that measures to .00005 yes 1/2 tenth and measure the diameter at the pressure ring. You might find these are at or 2-3 tenth under bore diameter.
 
X Count said:
All else being equal..get a good micrometer that measures to .00005 yes 1/2 tenth and measure the diameter at the pressure ring. You might find these are at or 2-3 tenth under bore diameter.
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I have such calibrated micrometer. My Berger 135s measure exactly .2570 on the BS, and .2573 on the pressure ring...I measured 3 bullets with no measurable variance between them.

By chance did you measure some and find otherwise?
 
Not those bullets but another Berger offering. Couldn't get the gun to shoot so started measuring bullets. Used a different style of Berger and a few other brands that were bigger by up to .0005 and it shot as expected.
 
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