Kurz, many thanks in advance
Winchester brass....
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I have Winchester brass, I do not have brass that was made by Winchester because Winchester got out of the brass making business in about 1929. And then it became Western Cartridge Company, I have a lot of WCC and WW. Olin continued with the Winchester head stamp, I have a lot of brass with Winchester head stamps that were made during WW11. And now? I wonder who makes the brass you shooters are talking about.
F. Guffey
I've seen a few of the bottom shoulder creases with one lot number of Lapua 6BR.
Reloader believe they can move the shoulder back when using a die with full body support, that makes the crease impossible to explain because the crease is the first sign the case is folding/collapsing. And then there are the bumpers, they believe they can bump the shoulder back; I ask, how do they do that? No one knows so I say there has got to be something about the sequence of events that happen between pulling the trigger and the bullet leaving the barrel shooters/reloaders do not understand.
F. Guffey
Shoulder creases in brand new, out of the box brass has nothing to do with anyone or their reloading process.
I doubt the cases with the crease came from the same shop Jack purchased his beans, so the crease got there somehow and I did say most reloaders would have trouble explaining the problem.
F. Guffey
Being that I opened the box, inspected the cases and found the creases and splits, I'll say you're full of horse $#!T and the recipient of today's "ignore for eternity" award.
That was fast, you told me everything you knew about sizing a case in a few short lines and then you lost it. I would say the crease is an artifact, I would say the artifact is caused by bad habits or ignorance, ignorance is caused by not knowing.
F. Guffey
Hmm... Ignore didn't work. Have to get that fixed in a second.
To demonstrate your ignorance of the situation you keep discussing, let me explain something everyone but you seems to clearly understand. I did NOT size the case. I opened the seal of a new box of Lapua brass. I inspected the cases. I found a dozen cases out of that box with either creases at the shoulder just like the other person posted or cracks. End of story. You cannot add in more activities than I performed just so you can continue on with your diatribe of no one understands how to reload but you. I've been at it for 30 some odd years and don't need some idiot telling me I'm doing it wrong before I event touch it. If you cannot read clear and very simple language as I'm using with you, you have no business telling anyone anything about how to perform a complex task.
How can you possibly at this point not understand? I know of no other way to clarify this to you. You have it stuck in your shallow brain that I caused a crease in the case by sizing in incorrectly and I cannot fix the way your brain works, but if you consider the number of members on here that you seem to have problems communicating with, it would seem that the source of the communications problems points back to you again and again.
To summarize: I did NOT size the cases before finding the creases.
To all others with cognitive abilities, you should definitely always inspect all new cases before loading them as forming them at the factory is a mechanical process where things can and do go wrong in the process and sometimes those cases are not caught before they get shipped.
Now to work on that Ignore function......
35+ years ago our SOP was to obtain a large supply of brass. We then would start the sorting process. Neck Thickness, body thickness, head run out, weight. The most uniform lot would be set aside. High and low weights would be segrated along with body wall thickness variance over .003.
True culls 10 to 20 percent. Remaing brass would be sorted into 3 or 4 lots.
Alot of work it was what we did.
The last box of lap 220 russian was sorted into two lots with 3 or 4 culls. The main difference is the two lots were very uniform. Open up the tolerances slightly and we are eliminating culls 3% i can live with.
True culls 10 to 20 percent. Remaing brass would be sorted into 3 or 4 lots.
Alot of work it was what we did.
The last box of lap 220 russian was sorted into two lots with 3 or 4 culls. The main difference is the two lots were very uniform. Open up the tolerances slightly and we are eliminating culls 3% i can live with.
Damn, that's ridiculous
What are they doing at Winchester, sweeping up the floor at the end of the shift, putting their garbage in baggies and selling it to their customers??!?
Brians356
Gold $$ Contributor
As others have suggested, "Winchester" (whoever that is any more) is likely not making the brass, it's being contracted out to Silver State or someone. And wherever it is being made, it is no longer being inspected on a conveyor belt by humans eyeballs to cull out the worst failed cases.
About fifteen years ago I bought out every Winchester brand 250 Savage case then in stock at fabled Lolo Sporting Goods in Lewiston, ID (home of Speer). Aside from a few minor dents and many out-of-round case mouths, there were no ugly cases in that batch of 350.
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To me , this stuff has all the things that scream made in China.. like I said some of mine have black magic marker on the inside of the necks like rejects... Ya it's cheap but if you can't use it or even worry if it's safe it's not cheap enough to chance blowing yourself or you expensive guns up.. It's like saying it's ok to buy a new car and having to change 1 of 4 tires because that's just the way it is...
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akajiggs
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I just went through 3 bags of 6mm rem and had to throw away 32.Case necks split,not formed properly,shoulders dented,you name it.Winchester brass is crap.I thought I was the only one that was having problems with it.
Winchester will not return my calls about complaints.wonder why?
Went through 2 bags of Hornady brass and all is good.I know it not supposed to be very good brass but if I only get 2 fireings out of it,it is better than nothing at all.
Jim
Does anyone have a reason to believe there is a difference between the cases from Winchester ammunition and their bulk brass?
Brians356
Gold $$ Contributor
Their loaded ammo brass looks pristine compared to their bulk brass. I'm not sure it all comes from the same factory. I'd sure like to know.
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akajiggs
Gold $$ Contributor
This is just a follow up on my earlier post on Wednesday. Winchester finally gave me a call. Talked to a super nice lady,Haley in the complaint department.
She ask me to box the brass up and send it to her personally. They,Winchester,sent ups to my shop with labels and picked it up the next day after I talked to them. Super fast service IMO.They paid the shipping.
We will see if it goes anywhere.Will keep you posted.
Took longer to type this than it took them to act after talking to them.
Jim Gregory
She ask me to box the brass up and send it to her personally. They,Winchester,sent ups to my shop with labels and picked it up the next day after I talked to them. Super fast service IMO.They paid the shipping.
We will see if it goes anywhere.Will keep you posted.
Took longer to type this than it took them to act after talking to them.
Jim Gregory
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