Winchester brass....

[Rsadams]

Those pictures are unacceptable in terms of Q/C... That should never have made it out of the factory period... I am sorry but that is crap... Love how on the back of the bag it has the safety warning about checking components... It wouldn't be so bad if it was every once in a while but that's happening in almost every bag.. It shouldn't just be expected that this is normal..

What's even worse is go to their Facebook page and read the complaints left.. I know some are just people that don't know any thing and are just complaints but there is a bunch... And they all seem to be about Q/C problems.. Some just plain dangerous and while they may not be spending money on Q/C you know they have plenty of attorneys on hand... I am not willing to sacrifice safety , fingers and eyes etc... And with that in mind you do everything right and have a kboom and they will say it's your fault..

Some of the brass in my bag has black magic marker marks inside the necks... Clearly rejects IMHO.. how else would that get there and why would it be there???

Just my opinion and it means nothing to anyone but me..

 

[Zero333]

These are 10 of the 11 worst cases out of 102 WW brand 6mm Rem cases.

The top photo shows definite culls. (Like the melted candle one? "That'll buff out".)

The one of the far left in the bottom photo is probably usable (and there is one more just like it.) The rest in the bottom photo might be ok - the dents will blow out, but I'm leery of the integrity of the shoulders.


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SEND THOSE PICS TO WINCHESTER !!!

 

[JLT]

These are 10 of the 11 worst cases out of 102 WW brand 6mm Rem cases.

The top photo shows definite culls. (Like the melted candle one? "That'll buff out".)

The one of the far left in the bottom photo is probably usable (and there is one more just like it.) The rest in the bottom photo might be ok - the dents will blow out, but I'm leery of the integrity of the shoulders.


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The 'melted candle' is hard to believe! Geez . . .

 

[oldroper]

I just purchase bag of Win 270 brass from Sportsman Warehouse and it first since blue bag brass. I read and seen picture of Win brass and it's not what you should expect.

The red bag does have almost to 2" at bottom face on the bag that you can see the brass. I did turn bag over and moved brass around so I could see and it did look OK. I got the brass home weight the brass, checked neck thickness, measure case length to compare against some of the old blue bag new 270 I had. Neck were not 100% round but I normally use expander so really didn't matter to me.

Those new cases weight within 1.5gr of the old brass and neck thickness same and case length was close to max length. I know old blue bag back you could see brass and was smaller than new one.

If I look and seen neck crushed etc I sure wouldn't of purchased them and you really should have to do that.

 

[seymour fish]

It seems like everyone either has a heart-rending story about how awful American brass is or they just want to pitch a fit.

Good News my friends! Peterson Cartridge has .308 Win. on sale in bulk for $449.30/1,000 pcs. Yes, I know, it's 1,000 pieces and that's a lot to buy all at once. But for what amounts to $44.93/hundred, I bought 1,000 pieces to either share with friends or just keep in reserve. This is the standard rifle primer not the small hole stuff.

Maybe you should palm off that awful Winchester garbage on someone else and buy what amounts to some of the best brass made and Made in the USA.

No I don't own stock in PC nor am I an employee.

Regards.

Kurz, can you describe the consistency of 1) neck wall thickness 2) water capacity, of this brass such that we may glean the quality ?

 

[Rsadams]

I just purchase bag of Win 270 brass from Sportsman Warehouse and it first since blue bag brass. I read and seen picture of Win brass and it's not what you should expect.

The red bag does have almost to 2" at bottom face on the bag that you can see the brass. I did turn bag over and moved brass around so I could see and it did look OK. I got the brass home weight the brass, checked neck thickness, measure case length to compare against some of the old blue bag new 270 I had. Neck were not 100% round but I normally use expander so really didn't matter to me.

Those new cases weight within 1.5gr of the old brass and neck thickness same and case length was close to max length. I know old blue bag back you could see brass and was smaller than new one.

If I look and seen neck crushed etc I sure wouldn't of purchased them and you really should have to do that.

When I bought mine I looked at two or three bags moving them around but you can't really get the brass that's on top on the bottom etc... Even hand picking mine I am not impressed with it... I think he ordered his which leaves no way to see what your getting.. Either way this kind of product should not be leaving any plant anywhere if they care about Q/C or customers..
It should not be accepted that you are just expected to have to throw away a brand new product because it's defective or dangerous... My family owns a business that stays covered in work that ten years ago wasn't even listed in the phone book and still doesn't have a sign... It thrives because of good C/S and Q/C and offerings of a great product at a fair price with a promise that if there's a problem we will make it right... And like I said it stays covered in work year round...

To me these old companies are just riding on their name from 100 years ago who sale their names to the highest bidder to sale cheap Chinese garbage like pocket knives etc.. I bet I get go to Academy right now and buy a crap Chinese knife with Winchesters name on it...How much money do you have to have to be ok with turning out work or products like that?? And know you will still be in business next year... It's this stuff that has dragged American companies down and turned our economy into a throw away economy were there is no plants or jobs because they have been shipped over seas were they can make it cheaper..As an American firearms and ammo maker you would think maybe you should be proud of your work and products not turning this out and just say... Please contact our customer service department which is probably in India....

Just my opinion.. means nothing really... I also know it will change nothing...

 

[GrocMax]

For value 308, Widener's is blowing out IMI 1000 count new brass. Its the thick NATO version.

 

[JLT]

For value 308, Widener's is blowing out IMI 1000 count new brass. Its the thick NATO version.

Good brass, in my experience. Stout stuff and pretty consistent.

 

[Kurz]

Kurz, can you describe the consistency of 1) neck wall thickness 2) water capacity, of this brass such that we may glean the quality ?

As soon as I can get to it. I just ordered it so it will be a few days before the box even gets here, I'm sure. I'm also in and out of town on an extensive project. I'll try my best.

 

[GrocMax]

Good brass, in my experience. Stout stuff and pretty consistent.

By blowout I mean $275.00/1000. Does new 308 get any cheaper?

 

[Rsadams]

By blowout I mean $275.00/1000. Does new 308 get any cheaper?

IMI has always been good when I have used it.. my .223 brass is IMI right now...Seems a tad bit soft but no problems..

 

[JLT]

IMI has always been good when I have used it.. my .223 brass is IMI right now...Seems a tad bit soft but no problems..

The .308 brass is pretty hard. It'll handle pressure well.

IF I ever run out of LC'09, I'm going to have to try the 5.56/.223 stuff . . .

 

[JLT]

By blowout I mean $275.00/1000. Does new 308 get any cheaper?

You're not kidding!

 

[Big Mc]

I normally reload the factory once fired whatever's out of my gun but a few days ago I bought a new bag of winchester .308 brass... I opened them tonight and wow what a mess... Not one case that doesn't have dented or at best out of round mouths.. weights are just all over the place as well as lengths , some way under what trim length would be.. Some of them appear to have black magic marker marks on the insides of the necks like maybe they are rejects... After reading some reviews I guess I am not the only one who thinks that.. And the bag was sealed shut..

Lapua would be twice as expensive and would be the first time I have bought any. I know a lot of you love them and I can sorta see why now after looking at these... The dented mouths and case shoulders could easily be fixed by running them through a die but I thought new brass could be loaded without doing ALL the prep I would do to even the worst range pickup.. the mouths are cut so far from round you can get two different measurements.. just to chamfer them inside and out would take awhile with a case prep station.. There is nothing that would not have to be done to make these useable or even to reload for the first time.. I think they are getting return to Cabela's but I thought I would ask if this is what new brass is supposed to be???

Even Lapua has a bad batch now and then. However it is what I use, because it is as good as it gets.. Tommy Mc..

 

[Rsadams]

The .308 brass is pretty hard. It'll handle pressure well.

IF I ever run out of LC'09, I'm going to have to try the 5.56/.223 stuff . . .

I think you will like it that's a great deal on.308 glad to hear it's tough I have some to try.. when I say their .223 seems a little soft I might have misspoke the necks seem great and not hard as a rock.. I am into 5.56 pressure and everything is going great.. Their factory ammo in .223 does have a strange smell when fired.. their 5.56 brass does come annealed but both have primers crimped...

 

[Brians356]

Thanks.. I didn't know this... Like I said I just normally buy factory ammo and reload it... First time I actually bought " new " brass.. I am a little less nervous about it if that's common...

Measure shoulder datums on factory ammo, should be close to raw cases.
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[Brians356]

I just purchase bag of Win 270 brass from Sportsman Warehouse and it first since blue bag brass. I read and seen picture of Win brass and it's not what you should expect.

The red bag does have almost to 2" at bottom face on the bag that you can see the brass. I did turn bag over and moved brass around so I could see and it did look OK. I got the brass home weight the brass, checked neck thickness, measure case length to compare against some of the old blue bag new 270 I had. Neck were not 100% round but I normally use expander so really didn't matter to me.

Those new cases weight within 1.5gr of the old brass and neck thickness same and case length was close to max length. I know old blue bag back you could see brass and was smaller than new one.

If I look and seen neck crushed etc I sure wouldn't of purchased them and you really should have to do that.

I ordered the WW cases online "in store pickup" sight unseen. I just might return one of the two bags, with all the culls therein. Fair is fair, if they'll accept a return. They're obviously unfired.
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[Willie]

I made the mistake of buying 250 pieces of WW 300wm brass, same lot, for a new build. It was cheap and ON SALE, so I figured I could cull 20% and still be okay.

The necks were a mess, but the expander mandrel cleaned up all but a couple of cases. There was an extra case in each bag, so I thought OKAY, that's great.

I got out the tubing mic and went to checking neck thickness. I could not believe what I was seeing. They were consistently the worst I had ever measured. The thin sides were .0110" - .0115" and the thick side was .0160-.0165". All I could say was " At least, they were consistently crappy".

I got rid of them, rather than wasting more time. Replaced them with some brass I'd never tried, Sig Sauer 300 wm, on advice from a fellow shooter. I bought 50 rds and rushed home to measure them. Then rushed back to purchase the rest of the lot number. Every case neck measured .014" +/- .0005" at 4 points. I went from worst lot of WW to some of the best lot of brass I've ever seen.

It remains to be seen how this brass will hold up, as the build is 6 weeks out. I don't know how it will measure out from lot to lot and some of the necks had slight dings as it's bagged similar to the WW. It looked like Lapua, as far as annealing. Overall quality seems to be far superior to WW junk at about same price.

 

[Brians356]

I ordered the WW cases online "in store pickup" sight unseen. I just might return one of the two bags, with all the culls therein. Fair is fair, if they'll accept a return. They're obviously unfired.
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Well, that was easy. I just drove to the Cabela's store and returned 1 bag of brass for a full refund. I kept one bag of select cases. If I had chosen to ship them back using their return form and shipping label, they would have retained $7.50 for shipping.

Then I walked over to their reloading section and there was one bag of WW 6mm Rem on the shelf. I inspected the contents as best I could through the small window and, other than out-of-round case mouths, I did not see any deformed or tarnished cases, but I would have only seen a portion of them. It's possible they high-grade what they send out to stores.
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[Brians356]

I made the mistake of buying 250 pieces of WW 300wm brass, same lot, for a new build. It was cheap and ON SALE, so I figured I could cull 20% and still be okay.

The necks were a mess, but the expander mandrel cleaned up all but a couple of cases. There was an extra case in each bag, so I thought OKAY, that's great.

I got out the tubing mic and went to checking neck thickness. I could not believe what I was seeing. They were consistently the worst I had ever measured. The thin sides were .0110" - .0115" and the thick side was .0160-.0165". All I could say was " At least, they were consistently crappy".

I got rid of them, rather than wasting more time. Replaced them with some brass I'd never tried, Sig Sauer 300 wm, on advice from a fellow shooter. I bought 50 rds and rushed home to measure them. Then rushed back to purchase the rest of the lot number. Every case neck measured .014" +/- .0005" at 4 points. I went from worst lot of WW to some of the best lot of brass I've ever seen.

It remains to be seen how this brass will hold up, as the build is 6 weeks out. I don't know how it will measure out from lot to lot and some of the necks had slight dings as it's bagged similar to the WW. It looked like Lapua, as far as annealing. Overall quality seems to be far superior to WW junk at about same price.

So the Sig brass was the same price as Winchester on sale? How much was that, if I may ask?

PS Never mind, Cabela's has it, very limited calibers but it is cheap. I had seen it at the store but didn't realize what it was. The only one I'd be interested in is 22-250.
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