Quote from Sierra Reloading Manual- Sixth Edition regarding the 308 Winchester-Never understood the 308 love. Why anyone would mess with it over the far and away superior 30-06 or 300 Savage, other than that they like having what the military has. Looking at it in that light, the 308 is the original tacti-cool choice!
A real man would use a real bipod like a harris. Those ski rigs that slide on the doormats is pretty much cheating
I use a Harris & hafta "load" hard it but a good bipod. esp for the $. notched legs r best.
??The gold standard was the .308 Win. with 155s and there were some darn fine shooters using this ammunition in their long barreled rifles, slung up with open sights.
(while I was typing my post above) or what?
I guess a "real man" would shoot benchrest off sandbags instead of a $2000 80 pound joystick front rest too huh.
Nope
. Cause the 308 is just a military "un-improved" version of the 300 Savage that reduced the shoulder angle and increased the capacity to get more speed, creating an inherently less accurate design. A well built 300 Savage is just better at being accurate.
Bigger? With a X ring the size of a basketball, how much bigger does it need to be?
Good point. . . . I enjoy long range benchrest immensely but about once a year I dig out my old O3A3 and shoot prone or offhand. It's a whole 'nother world.Open F or open sights
You folks using mechanical supports ought to try it with a sling once in awhile.
Losing the optics'll make your target bigger... just sayin'.
You lookin' over my shoulder
Oh yeah the mighty .30-06! .308 performance with .300 win mag recoil. A shooters dream!
Savage made rifle rounds? I thought they were famous for confusing action lengths, ugly barrel nuts, and ridiculous rifle nomenclature??
...please don’t ban me. Lol
) was designing some of the greatest cartridges in history. It was 1920, just 5 years after his most successful divine inspiration hit the world: the 250-3000. The original short action hotrod! He decides to neck it up to a 30 caliber and the 300 Savage is born.So I take it you were involved with the development of the 308??? I sure would like to read the actual authoritative material you rely on for your “story.”Haha. Gather round kiddies and let me tell you about the glory days when a fellah named Newton (not the physicist, although apparently fellahs named Newton are rather smart
Fast forward and condensing a longer story: the military is convinced that the modern case design of the 300 Savage with its too sharp 30degree shoulder and "minimal taper" is just going to be a reliability nightmare. It looks nothing like the comfortable and proven designs of the 1800s! They also decide that it's too compact and too slow to be effective. I mean human targets are so much tougher than elk and bear, so you need more power than such a puny little case can deliver. They want it to be longer, with more taper, and a shallower shoulder angle so that it looks more like what they're used to. They also want it to go about 150fps faster while burning 10grns more powder to do so to extend the "effective range" another 100 yards. What efficiency! That's clearly a great design change! And this is how the oversized turd named 308 Winchester was forced into existence.
To be clear: this is a colorful retelling of the "fact"s that somewhat glosses over many things that happened and influenced those decisions. I think it captures the military spirit accurately though when they go about choosing an equipment "upgrade"
Hope ya bought it
I'm having trouble discerning if you are actually being hostile or not. I'm merely jesting a little and like to remind folks that the 308 was not the first or best of it's kind. It was only what the military adopted almost 70 years ago. I have my grandpa's old Mauser he had built and chambered in 300 savage sometime in the 50s after the war. It was his favorite gun and it has killed deer, elk, bear, and mountain lions. It used to shoot consistently in the 3s with 155s until I ran a few thousand of them down the tube to targets with it after I inherited it from him. It shot really well and it should be no surprise given how well everything from a 30BR up to 308 shoot with quality components.
