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Wax on, or wax off....the Karate kid wants to know....

When using Imperial sizing wax, do you do the body only, or include the neck? Mr. Miyagi thanks you for your answers. View attachment 1704111
Ever so lightly neck/shoulder every 3-4th case, same applies to the case it’s self.
As like Brill Cream…
“A little dab will do you…”
Have moved onto Balistic Case Wax from S Africa as it is less liquid/soft in the summer.
Nitrile gloves, a touch of a finger to the lube, slight rub with thumb and first two fingers and that is enough to lube 4-5 6BR cases or several 7-6.5PRCW/280AI cases.
 
When using Imperial sizing wax, do you do the body only, or include the neck? Mr. Miyagi thanks you for your answers. View attachment 1704111
I use Imperial Sizing Die Wax and like Fire Dog, I'll put just a very light amount on the neck once every few cases. I avoid putting any on the shoulders, but since I use Forster FL sizing dies that have vent holes, I really don't worry about getting some of the lube on them. I takes very little of this wax to get enough lubrication and often I don't even have to lube but every other case. Cases all come out very consistent (though my annealing process helps a lot with that ;)).
 
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When using Imperial sizing wax, do you do the body only, or include the neck? Mr. Miyagi thanks you for your answers. View attachment 1704111
lots of people say dont use it on the neck. to me the neck is getting sized so i want it lubed a little. its true some lube gets pushed up from the body into the neck. i usually lube the body and a little on neck with imperial for my accuracy loads. i never get case dents so i figure there not getting lubed to much. sometimes i use the graphite neck lube. it works ok. gonna try the outlaw formula on my accuracy loads soon and it will lube the whole case.
 
When using Imperial sizing wax, do you do the body only, or include the neck? Mr. Miyagi thanks you for your answers. View attachment 1704111
Body only, otherwise it will build up off the neck and dent the shoulders
it doesnt HURT, to lube the neck but is also not necessary
I Def lube the inside of the necks if running over expander ball
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unless I am forming Wilcats, thats the only time I am concerned with lubing the whole length
such as sizing a body down to a neck
 
I've been applying Imperial Sizing Die wax on case body and neck with my fingers. I've never had a problem doing it this way.
As long as you don't go crazy with it, it's not a problem to lube the whole case. I've done tens of thousands of cases this way and the only time i had an issue was early on when I put too much lube on the case. To say you shouldn't lube the neck and shoulder is simply wrong. While the shoulder doesn't NEED lube, I'm not going to spend the time and effort to wipe it off. Don't apply it like a gorilla and you will be fine.
 
Using Hornady Unique wax and I just touch an index finger to the wax and then rub my index middle and thumb together. I then rub the whole case, top to bottom. Doing so this way I too have never seen a shoulder dent. Nor have I ever seen a build-up of wax in my dies. Also, so far have never stuck a case either.

Then to be clear, during the winter months while shooting a league I am shooting and loading 50 rounds of rifle every week.
 
As long as you don't go crazy with it, it's not a problem to lube the whole case. I've done tens of thousands of cases this way and the only time i had an issue was early on when I put too much lube on the case. To say you shouldn't lube the neck and shoulder is simply wrong. While the shoulder doesn't NEED lube, I'm not going to spend the time and effort to wipe it off. Don't apply it like a gorilla and you will be fine.
True that,
Sometimes if I just barely "touch" the neck with whatever is leftover on my finger
I will leave it, as I find that amount doesnt build up into the shoulder
 
Only thing I've ever changed over the years is the lube on the body, went from RCBS to Imp wax. All the necks got dipped in motor mica over a Forster dry lube neck brush kit. I try to avoid going up onto the shoulder with the body lube, the dry lube takes care of the neck inside and out. With and without dry lube is like night and day when using the button expander that is std in most dies, works fine with neck dies and neck bushing dies, mandrels, no fear of contaminating powder, no fear of over lubing and no fuss, no muss on inside neck lubing. Don't even have to do all of them, very often one dip lasts 3-4 cases, you can feel/hear when its time.
 
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Only thing I've ever changed over the years is the lube on the body, went from RCBS to Imp wax. All the necks got dipped in motor mica over a Forster dry lube neck brush kit. I try to avoid going up onto the shoulder with the body lube, the dry lube takes care of the neck inside and out. With and without dry lube is like night and day when using the button expander that is std in most dies, works fine with neck dies and neck bushing dies, mandrels, no fear of contaminating powder, no fear of over lubing and no fuss, no muss on inside neck lubing. Don't even have to do all of them, very often one dip lasts 3-4 cases, you can feel/hear when it’s time.
I do similar. I dip necks in moly beads and then wipe off outside with corner of microfiber in my lap. Then I hold case by neck and lube the case body, then wipe off case after sizing with the same towel.
 
I use Redding Ti bushing in their Type S dies. The Redding tech told me that even though lube isn't needed with the Ti bushing, they have found it to slightly increase consistency. I use a thin coat of Imperial wax on the case and don't avoid the shoulder. I have never encountered a problem.
 
Body only, otherwise it will build up off the neck and dent the shoulders
That has been my experience as well, with 223. I forget how, exactly, I discovered this, but I think it's because I was using a RCBS Precision Mic (or maybe some other tool, I forget TBH, it's been a few years since I handloaded for 223) to check how far my shoulders were getting bumped, and sometimes they were getting bumped back further than others when everything should have been the same (same number of firings on the cases, all cases annealed, nothing changed except possibly the quantity of wax building up and denting/moving the shoulders)...I could check my lab notebook but I'm too lazy right now to go retrieve it.

I use the Imperial wax, and just put a little on the body of the case and kinda scrape my fingertips across the case mouth to get a tiny bit on the inside of the mouth where it gets transferred to the expander ball, and undoubtedly also lubes the outside of the neck ... and I only really lube every 2nd or 3rd case ... enough gets on the inside of my die to take care of one or two unlubed cases in between each lubed case...I try to err on the side of "too little" wax rather than "too much" and I've never gotten a case stuck, knock wood...
 
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