This is exactly why I involve myself in so many tuner discussions. There has been a ton of, we'll call it "varying instruction" on tuners for a long time. We're still reading some of those variances in this thread, to this day. Old habits die hard, I suppose.
Tuners
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JEFFPPC
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I have found guys have an opinion. They ask you how you do something , then they keep asking others until they find someone that agrees with them. So more and more when I am tempted to give give some advice from my experience, I catch myself and keep quiet. The older I get the more valuable my time is to me and the less I am willing to give to those who don't really listen.
Shooter13
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Now sir...................that's funny! Speaking of dress, (not a dress) my wife hates how I dress, I'm just a blue jean and Carhart kinda guy!
jackieschmidt
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More times than not, you will catch me in one of our blue work uniforms.
If the Wife wants to go out, I put on a clean one.
Shooter13
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This is exactly why I use your tuners, I have a problem I have your cell. Send you a picture and call. I'm still learning, I hope to shoot better this year than last, I'm going back to the range probably Friday just for practice. I want to learn to be smoother with less wasted motion, (that's going to take a LOT of work!). I also appreciate your friendship.
Me too, my friend. Film yourself shooting! That's some of the best advice I've ever been given, in that regard.
Shooter13
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Love it!!More times than not, you will catch me in one of our blue work uniforms.
If the Wife wants to go out, I put on a clean one.
Danley
Danley Precision
Not far from being what I consider an ASKHOLE
… Just to clarify, this statement isn’t aimed towards anyone here.
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DirtySteve
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JFrank, An "askhole" is someone who may have been correctly told something about an issue but disagrees with it. Then he continues asking questions until he finds someone just as dumb as himself, and agrees with him.. Disregarding the correct information he was given... I have a neighbor who asked me questions and then asked my other neighbor the same question. We gave answers he did not agree with and he kept thinking he was right.... This guy also once told me that Eric Cortina did not know what he was talking about concerning neck sizing.... One other thing he said was a mini 14 he used to own was the most accurate gun he ever had. No one in there right mind would ever say that unless he only owned shotguns..
Edit. I watched this guy missed a prairie dog eight times at 25 yards with a Ruger 10-22... The Prairie dog was in shot and barely moved...
Edit. I watched this guy missed a prairie dog eight times at 25 yards with a Ruger 10-22... The Prairie dog was in shot and barely moved...
Greg@wfcustom
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100% on this!
Reminds me of a conversation I had with one of the shooters at our BR match.
He asked me a question that had to do with barrel vibration, and as I was trying to give him a very short course in physics informed me that I had no idea what I was talking about.
My reply was the good news is he would never have to worry about that again.
I don't do barrel work for him anymore either!
Since I don't know what I'm talking about, I probably don't know how to operate machine tools either.
As my dear departed friend Henry used to say
"People are stupid"
We call it "Henry's Theorem"
JMHO
G
Nothing..Do your 3 shot groups get smaller if you keep shooting? Probably started out smallest and gets bigger from there, is my guess.
Sometimes, less is more.
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I asked a legitimate question, I wasn’t being snarky or a wise ass.Nothing..Do your 3 shot groups get smaller if you keep shooting? Probably started out smallest and gets bigger from there, is my guess.
I’m 72 years old, I don’t have time for that crap.
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Alex Wheeler
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You have some of the best tuners on earth at deep creek. Id be asking them.
Take it as you will. It was meant to carry a point but with humor, not crap. Yes, sometimes, less IS more. If you don't agree, that's ok. We can agree to disagree and move on.
One more analogy is...you get 5 opinions and 4 are wrong. Do you average them to get the answer you want or do you test for yourself?
Hypotheses (idea or theory not proven), beliefs, opinions, estimations, or explanations and everyone has them. Some win with em......across multiple disciplines more win without em!
That depends on where, what and with whom you shoot. The ranges where I shoot, there are far more guns with than without. I've never, ever said that anyone MUST have a tuner to win. I have said, about 10 or so years ago now that, I felt then that the time was coming where you'll either use a tuner or get beat by someone that is. Maybe not so much where you compete, but it's way closer to being a true statement now, than ever...and growing.
I totally understand your perspective. In spite of your position, I still send them to you because the experience of some of your own customers is positive enough that they still ask for you to install them. Some...are very accomplished shooters, too. One shipped to you yesterday, in fact.
Not arguing either way but their results are pretty impressive with them. I am very firm in believing they work and that I don't know anyone that has the testing background with them that I do. I'm certainly happy to discuss the methodology with you anytime, as there seems to be little doubt that tuners work, but the methodology is where there seems to be the biggest differences. Since I'm not sure how you've tested to come to your conclusions about never moving them, I can only say that their biggest benefit comes once you have the methodology down, well. If one moves a tuner by any random amount, the result will be random as well. So yes, I agree to an extent, that not moving it is better than guessing. All day and twice on Sundays, unless you're just very lucky...which happens.
Alex Wheeler
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20 years ago I was told shoot a tuner or get beat by one. 20 years later, still havent seen that.
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