Tuners

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I looked into buying a popular tuner but the webpage didn’t have an option to buy it.

Oh well

Maybe it's worth a phone call.

 

[Dave M.]

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Solid. Mike will love this. I can see him blowing it up and putting it in his shop.

 

[Shooter13]

Well, here is your tuner test, kind of windy, all are 3 shot groups except #5, when they are spread that far apart another shot won't matter! You can see the consistency of all of it. Mike @gunsandgunsmithing might want a better shooter to do it but for the conditions I'm pretty happy.

 

[Bill Norris]

Well, here is your tuner test, kind of windy, all are 3 shot groups except #5, when they are spread that far apart another shot won't matter! You can see the consistency of all of it. Mike @gunsandgunsmithing might want a better shooter to do it but for the conditions I'm pretty happy.

Not a bad test outcome at all. I like that window from 8 to 10 best as I would settle on 9 for those conditions.

 

[LVLAaron]

Well, here is your tuner test, kind of windy, all are 3 shot groups except #5, when they are spread that far apart another shot won't matter! You can see the consistency of all of it. Mike @gunsandgunsmithing might want a better shooter to do it but for the conditions I'm pretty happy.

That's impossible. Tuners don't work!

 

[Shooter13]

Not a bad test outcome at all. I like that window from 8 to 10 best as I would settle on 9 for those conditions.

Mike likes the higher nodes like 13-15 or 12-15, top of the node.

 

[JFrank]

Maybe it's worth a phone call.

Maybe an add to cart option would save time.

 

[Bill Norris]

Mike likes the higher nodes like 13-15 or 12-15, top of the node.

Right and that is not a bad place to be either.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

That's impossible. Tuners don't work!

They work great if you dont touch them.

 

[Shooter13]

Well, here is your tuner test, kind of windy, all are 3 shot groups except #5, when they are spread that far apart another shot won't matter! You can see the consistency of all of it. Mike @gunsandgunsmithing might want a better shooter to do it but for the conditions I'm pretty happy.

I was ask about aiming point, it never changed, the center dot is aim point and you can see the tuner doing the work of moving the poi

 

[Bill Norris]

I was ask about aiming point, it never changed, the center dot is aim point and you can see the tuner doing the work of moving the poi

Exactly, very similar to the test Mike showed us sometime back and my test as well.

 

[LVLAaron]

They work great if you dont thouch them.

I put them on my rifles because they really bring the ensemble together.

 

[ELR LVR]

Well, here is your tuner test, kind of windy, all are 3 shot groups except #5, when they are spread that far apart another shot won't matter! You can see the consistency of all of it. Mike @gunsandgunsmithing might want a better shooter to do it but for the conditions I'm pretty happy.

That's so cool
It looks like your barrel reset itself at setting 10... right back to Zero

 

[Fast14riot]

Well, here is your tuner test, kind of windy, all are 3 shot groups except #5, when they are spread that far apart another shot won't matter! You can see the consistency of all of it. Mike @gunsandgunsmithing might want a better shooter to do it but for the conditions I'm pretty happy.

Whats cool, if you superimposed all targets on top of each other in order, poi would look like a CW spiral around poa.

 

[Shooter13]

That's so cool
It looks like your barrel reset itself at setting 10... right back to Zero

10 is actually zero one full turn out!! I could have gone counter clockwise and I think I would have the same results in the opposite direction. You are changing the vibration cycle with the tuner.

 

[JEFFPPC]

That's so cool
It looks like your barrel reset itself at setting 10... right back to Zero

Your correct. Almost 20 years ago when I got my first tuner I shot a strip target as I moved the tuner. I kept it. 6 months later I shot the same load, same barrel on an identical target. I layed the one target over the other. It was amazing how the holes lined up. I was sold. Still sold close 20 years later. So when I asked the maker why he quit making thrm he said people won't use them as instructed and I am tired of the people. I get it! Fortunately I bought several back then, still using them.

 

[Bottom Fodder]

Ok after almost 100 reply's tuners are still popular and I kinda understand more of what they do as far as change the harmonies of the barrel. So let me ask this question would a tuner be more useful on a long lightweight barrel than a short heavy stiff barrel ?

 

[swd]

Ok after almost 100 reply's tuners are still popular and I kinda understand more of what they do as far as change the harmonies of the barrel. So let me ask this question would a tuner be more useful on a long lightweight barrel than a short heavy stiff barrel ?

They are just more reactive on a lighter contour not necessarily better.

 

[Bill Norris]

Ok after almost 100 reply's tuners are still popular and I kinda understand more of what they do as far as change the harmonies of the barrel. So let me ask this question would a tuner be more useful on a long lightweight barrel than a short heavy stiff barrel ?

I "think" length may have more to do with it than diameter as I have tuners on two 26 inch barrels one a H V Taper and one a Sendero taper and find tuning increments to be closely related. These barrels are not the same caliber. Just my opinion and could be wrong no doubt.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

Mike likes the higher nodes like 13-15 or 12-15, top of the node.

I'd shoot 12 thru 17 in better conditions and see what it shows. 12,13 and 14 are almost textbook shapes...even though I told ya I liked 15 yesterday. I viewed them on my phone while talking, fwiw and16 and 17 should either confirm or condemn 15 and they simply aren't there to see on this target. You know what to look for. If 12 ends up being your spot, 15 will almost certainly will not repeat. This is one reason why you can't just go by a single small group.

I don't look for what some call "wide spots" on a tuner, since every move changes a constant. IOW, every move SHOULD show a value on the target. Yes, some places will show bigger groups on either side of a sweet spot but outta tune is outta tune in BR. In short range, I actually prefer the groups to grow in a more pronounced way because I'm reading the group shapes to judge tune. It's obviously easier to read tune if the groups open more clearly. In LR, I can see some value in going with what might appear to be a wide spot simply because the groups are not huge on either side but that's not how I feel a tuner is best used, if maintaining peak tune is the goal.

Different disciplines require different precision and have different challenges, like seeing sighters, for example. In SR, I see no reason to go to the record with a half-assed tune. That's often a tune that's just good enough to lose with but not be last. LOL!

Only other thing I'll add is that I way much prefer people make their own target, where all groups are on the same horizontal plane for this test. Frankie's is pretty clear but not all show the sine wave as clearly as his example. Also, he was using my lighter model tuner which tends to show tune a bit differently than the standard model, but close. I always recommend the standard tuner if making weight and good gun balance are at all possible with it. I made the lighter model specifically due to the 10.5lb LV class, where it can be tough to make weight with the standard tuner. It looks cool and all but that extra couple of ounces is wonderful, if you can stand it. And I feel comfortable saying I know that tuner like the back of my hand. It's pretty amazing how much difference that 2ozs of difference makes.