6.5 forever
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And none of these points works for everyone!
But it is nice to share ideas and experience!
Tuners
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But it is nice to share ideas and experience!
Not sure I would say smart lol but I believe my own eyes and testing over anyone else’s. It’s too easy to skew testing to find something that doesn’t work.
jackieschmidt
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This song reminds me of this thread.
Sharing experiences is important. That's what I like most about this site.
Fast14riot
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Honestly, this thread has been more complete with ideas, theories, and contrary opinions than many others on here.
Some top F/Class shooters actively avoid them, while others say if you dont use one you're getting beat by one. That's the game I play.
I have always been in the camp of no tuner, but this new build I decided to try one and diving head first into theory, practice and testing methods to see for myself if the juice is worth the squeeze. Excited to explore the possibilities and see where this leads me.
Some top F/Class shooters actively avoid them, while others say if you dont use one you're getting beat by one. That's the game I play.
I have always been in the camp of no tuner, but this new build I decided to try one and diving head first into theory, practice and testing methods to see for myself if the juice is worth the squeeze. Excited to explore the possibilities and see where this leads me.
ELR LVR
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Hard YES!
everything is theoretical, until empirically tested with our own equipment
CharlieNC
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There is no reason that the design of a barrel/tuner combination could not be calculated and optimized, but it does not appear any business has the funds to finance the research to gain sufficient understanding. Our backyard science projects only go so far and have typically led to more debate than concensus.
ELR LVR
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Well I would believe every barrels metallurgy, profile, length etc is going to contribute to the difficulty in arriving at hard core accurate definitives.
Likely why no company has invested the time to do the R&D
Since every barrel will act differently and is isolated as mentioned to ones own empirical testing.
Similar to how, Even a theoretical trajectory drop chart should be shot in real life to proof it, since even same bullets from the same Mfgr can act differently from lot to lot.
Everything is theory until ya do it and see the results confirm the testing, err...theory. There are multiple ways to conclude that water is wet but one way is to put your hand in it.
CharlieNC
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Of course, thats why I referred to it as the barel/tuner combination. While it is a long term costly project, think of how much combined money has been wasted by many individuals over the years in pursuit of their little piece of this knowledge.
jelenko
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If the metallurgy of the barrel is a factor, then we would need to be able to test/determine it to do our predictions.
Same with the metallurgy of the bullet jacket.
If the work were done, I could imagine a time when the needed variables from the barrel and bullets were supplied with each barrel and lot of bullets.
Just from reading, it would seem something else is also a factor for 'hummer' barrels - perhaps something about the minute dimensions in the bore/chamber/crown?
Same with the metallurgy of the bullet jacket.
If the work were done, I could imagine a time when the needed variables from the barrel and bullets were supplied with each barrel and lot of bullets.
Just from reading, it would seem something else is also a factor for 'hummer' barrels - perhaps something about the minute dimensions in the bore/chamber/crown?
I think I mentioned this earlier but I plan to do testing later this season of a bbl or so, pre and post cryo treatment...fwiw. I know within reason that they do in fact vibrate differently but I hope to find out if it matters to tuning or not.
swd
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What sold me on tuners is last year Bruce and I went to the Nevada LR regional. They shoot e targets and Friday was a practice day with absolutely perfect conditions. My 6.5x47 which shoots pretty dam good at Sac was holding a solid 3/4 MOA waterline at Sparks over about 30 practice shots. I was happy with my practice, shooting mostly 10’s and X’s Being new to tuners I didn’t think about moving the tuner until the very end. I moved it 1 click and the waterline instantly dropped to all just sub X ring over the next 10 shots. I went over to Bruce and saw his Dasher was shooting a just little under 3/4 MOA waterline so I reached over and turned it 1 click and it came down to right at 1/2 then I tuned it one more and instantly it was shooting mostly a solid 1/4 moa waterline! Seeing 2 guns that were in good tune at their home range go out of tune 4000’ higher and then being able to get them back in a click or 2 completely sold me on them!
People have often said that because of the many variables in reloading, we never really have "the best" load for a barrel because we can't extensively test everything. I've wondered if maybe the hummer barrel phenomenon isn't an inherent property of that barrel but the rare occasion when the shooter actually does come across the best load for that given barrel
ELR LVR
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Don't know how much I buy into "Hummer" barrels.
Only because all the Kriegers I have bought seem equally accurate.
EDIT: back when I heard of Hummer barrels I think is about when barrel makers started Kryo Treating their barrels to stress relieve, this may have been a contributor due to how good of job the Kryo or stress relieving was done? Now, I see more people say
Krieger, Bartlein, Hart etc take your pick they're all equally good.
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Much of it depends on the Smith doing the work and the bedding job.
I do know there can be "Bad" barrels though due to batches of bad steel with inclusions
There can also be "tight" barrels which I have seen
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I think when it comes to finding a hummer barrel it is luck of the draw or culling thru several ( a batch) to finally find it. Most BR shooters buy in quanity and search from convos I've listened to.
It may strictly be a function of the barrel and nothing else. I'm not saying that can't be true. I'm simply putting forth the idea that a possible reason why it may be so difficult to isolate a specific property of the barrel that makes it a hummer is because the barrel isn't the only variable in the equation.
A bbl that I mentioned earlier, I was the 3rd owner of. Both previous owners said the bbl was a dud. I got it to fireform with. Chucked it in a 3 jaw and chambered it without even indicating it in. It won a lot of fake wood afterwards. That bbl was the main one that sent me down the tuner path. I believe it was vibration related.
I do think that there is more to hummer bbls than magic, too....or I'm just really lucky. I've never considered myself that lucky.
I do think that there is more to hummer bbls than magic, too....or I'm just really lucky. I've never considered myself that lucky.
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