The most accurate cartridge.
- Thread starter Longfeather
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Is this kinda like fantasy football?
Perhaps you should get data from Remington, Sierra, and anyone else with a tunnel and universal receivers. All the current firearm competition has a human element which probably skews the data.
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LH,
Football and shooting are similar. Both the bullet and the football require the right amount of spin at the right speed to accurately hit the intended target. Both have that human variable: the quarterback and the triggerman. I like your suggestion on outside data and will present it to the round table for consideration after we've fine tuned the RTT6.
Perhaps you should get data from Remington, Sierra, and anyone else with a tunnel and universal receivers. All the current firearm competition has a human element which probably skews the data.
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LH,
Football and shooting are similar. Both the bullet and the football require the right amount of spin at the right speed to accurately hit the intended target. Both have that human variable: the quarterback and the triggerman. I like your suggestion on outside data and will present it to the round table for consideration after we've fine tuned the RTT6.
My......aren't we jumping to conclusions?.........you mean two days ago under "Longfeather".......rvn1968 said:
Hey...no harm no foul. You and I love to shoot.....invite newbies in......they sustain our sport for the future.rvn1968 said:
PS: Well, I think I've caused enough controversy in this forum.... maybe I'll go terrorize the "Varminter & Hunting Forum" and log in as "RipVanWinkle"....LOL
Take care friend.....
BigDMT
Longfeather said:
SO VERY TRUE. To attack someone just because they are a "newbie" is horrible. Young or old, new or experienced, ALL shooters and their vast sea of varying views and opinions need to be respected because they ALL financially support the shooting industry.
We start chasing off newbies, our future is doomed for sure.
Dimes & Quarters... You guys are TOO rich for my bloodCJ6 said:
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Oh, I get it, shooting AT dimes and quarters. I read it first as SHOOTING dimes and Quarters. Buy some factory ammo, I hear dollars fly better.
Nothing quite like shooting a quarter at 500 yards with a .338 Lapua... (my last check was ~$6 a reload including brass price).
mac86951 said:Dimes & Quarters... You guys are TOO rich for my bloodCJ6 said:
Oh, I get it, shooting AT dimes and quarters. I read it first as SHOOTING dimes and Quarters. Buy some factory ammo, I hear dollars fly better.
Nothing quite like shooting a quarter at 500 yards with a .338 Lapua... (my last check was ~$6 a reload including brass price).
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MAC, I dont know what I'm going to do with you. "shooting dimes" means your groups are .100....... "shooting quarters" means your groups are .250. If your going to seriously shoot at dimes and quarters (coins), make it challenging......clamp them in a vice on edge at 100 yds and try to slice em with your favorite round. Not this way ( O )....this way ( l ).
[br]GrocMax said:
Technically, not a cartridge because of the separate charge bags and projectile. Now, the Navy's current 5", 54 caliber Mark 45 lightweight guns are deadly and fast. It's a good thing the military is exempt from magazie capacity restrictions, it has a 20 round magazine.
Longfeather said:mac86951 said:Dimes & Quarters... You guys are TOO rich for my bloodCJ6 said:
Oh, I get it, shooting AT dimes and quarters. I read it first as SHOOTING dimes and Quarters. Buy some factory ammo, I hear dollars fly better.
Nothing quite like shooting a quarter at 500 yards with a .338 Lapua... (my last check was ~$6 a reload including brass price).
MAC, I dont know what I'm going to do with you. "shooting dimes" means your groups are .100....... "shooting quarters" means your groups are .250. If your going to seriously shoot at dimes and quarters (coins), make it challenging......clamp them in a vice on edge at 100 yds and try to slice em with your favorite round. Not this way ( O )....this way ( l ).
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Ahh, I see. I'll start with Nickels then and work my way to dimes... I've got access to a rail track that can modify some for an extra challenge! ( I get the dimes and quarters grouping, I was making a bad joke on the current supply-demand situdation)
-Mac
Ahh, I see. I'll start with Nickels then and work my way to dimes... I've got access to a rail track that can modify some for an extra challenge! ( I get the dimes and quarters grouping, I was making a bad joke on the current supply-demand situdation)
-Mac
I'm with ya there!
-Mac
I'm with ya there!
How is the 30br doing against the 6mmppc in thr UBR matches? I know the 30br makes a larger hole so if it hits in the same spot as a 6mmppc the 30br might score a 10 and the 6mmppc might be a 9 in IBS. UBR matches use a calibrated target for scoring,so the 30br will not have an advantage. I was thinking of shooting some UBR matches this year here in KY.
James
James
BigDMT
Oh good god. 30 br, 6PPC, 6 BR, 222 Rem...the argument will ever end. When it comes down to those rounds, how well a rifle is built on any of those chamberings is probably the most important factor.
If you guys want to keep arguing about chambering accuracy, you might as well start a argument about Chevy, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota pick-ups too. The outcome of which is best will be the same result as the argument here
If you guys want to keep arguing about chambering accuracy, you might as well start a argument about Chevy, Ford, Dodge, and Toyota pick-ups too. The outcome of which is best will be the same result as the argument here
It's actually a pretty good mix. The 30's do win more often, but there are still more of them being shot in UBR than the others. Like I said before, sheer numbers of a given chambering give a clear and undeniable advantage when the only thing considered is what's winning matches. FWIW a 22ppc, 6br, and a 6ppc all hold at least one current record in UBR. That's just at a glance...more calibers may hold more records. The caliber neutral target really does give a playing field that is as level as can be hoped for. You guys that have a rifle that you feeel like won't win against the 30's in a score match, bring them out to a UBR match. You'll have fun and help us answer this question about "best" cartridge.--Mike Ezelloutdoors junkie said:
My youngest son asked me what I thought the most accurate cartridge was.
Well, in context, I would agree with his OPINION, as I've been to the local gun shop and never saw a 6mmPPC or a 30BR for sale. Much less ammo for either one. It would be similar to asking your Dad, what was the best car ever? I doubt that you'd name some rare Duesenburg that some guy in Iowa built right after he finished the pyramids or a factory five Cobra. No, it would be that 1970 Camaro you had right after high school, the last stick shift you ever owned. And again he was speaking in terms his son could understand, and relate to in a real and physical way. A gun he could hand him and say, here son this is my old Ruger 77 in .222 cal. it's off the self and not some special built custom job but it'll do the job on any squirrel you run across.
I never had a .222, my Dad gave me a British SMLE .303 in 1968 for my first deer rifle. I didn't like it to much it was big and bulky, sold it for $15 and bought a Ruger 77 .30-06 for $95, it had a 4 power weaver scope and I loved that gun, I still have it. I have shot hundreds of coyotes and rabbits with it and 40 or so deer, and six Elk with that gun. So if my son had ever asked me a similar question, my answer would have been the .30-06. I don't think that young man was looking for an empirical answer, in my OPINION, he was just bonding with his Dad.
Besides, tomorrow when someone figures out just how to precisely deliver the exact same amount energy to the ninth degree to each an every round fired, the bullets will all be in the same hole anyway, right?
Well, in context, I would agree with his OPINION, as I've been to the local gun shop and never saw a 6mmPPC or a 30BR for sale. Much less ammo for either one. It would be similar to asking your Dad, what was the best car ever? I doubt that you'd name some rare Duesenburg that some guy in Iowa built right after he finished the pyramids or a factory five Cobra. No, it would be that 1970 Camaro you had right after high school, the last stick shift you ever owned. And again he was speaking in terms his son could understand, and relate to in a real and physical way. A gun he could hand him and say, here son this is my old Ruger 77 in .222 cal. it's off the self and not some special built custom job but it'll do the job on any squirrel you run across.
I never had a .222, my Dad gave me a British SMLE .303 in 1968 for my first deer rifle. I didn't like it to much it was big and bulky, sold it for $15 and bought a Ruger 77 .30-06 for $95, it had a 4 power weaver scope and I loved that gun, I still have it. I have shot hundreds of coyotes and rabbits with it and 40 or so deer, and six Elk with that gun. So if my son had ever asked me a similar question, my answer would have been the .30-06. I don't think that young man was looking for an empirical answer, in my OPINION, he was just bonding with his Dad.
Besides, tomorrow when someone figures out just how to precisely deliver the exact same amount energy to the ninth degree to each an every round fired, the bullets will all be in the same hole anyway, right?
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