My youngest son asked me what I thought the most accurate cartridge was. Having loaded and shot most everything from .17's to 300 Holland Holland's I had no hesitation answering "the triple duce" 222! This is a cartridge that either by design or by luck has the perfect case proportion enableing it to be king of the dime at 100 and quarter at 200. Able to stabilize 45 to 62 grain bullets and turn crows into fog at 300...what more can a shooter ask for? Inexpensive to load or shoot right out of the box it's still the most accurate of the .224 calibers. Try as they may gun makers have been chasing the dream of a better .224 only to fall short of the king "triple duce". PS: Much to my happyness the inovators at Savage recently came out with the model 25 in two different models chambered in .222....... what a great cartridge! It'll let a novice shooter compete with the big boys anytime!
The most accurate cartridge.
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Rip Van Winkle has awoken. He's going to get an earful on this one.
[br]Longfeather said:
If this was 1970, you would mostly be correct. It is 2013 and the 6mm PPC has dominated group shooting for more than a few years. The .30 BR is the current choice for score.
222 as great as it is, (and I have 2 chamberings) was the winner until the 6ppc came onto the scene in the mid 70's. Show me at least one 222 that places anywhere on the score sheet at Kelbly's Super Shoot. For that matter, show me at least one that is even being used in the big money match's, for group.
Most accurate cartridge? The records of the 6ppc speak for themselves.
Most accurate cartridge? The records of the 6ppc speak for themselves.
Conversely, unless the rules are changed for measuring records, the .222 will have always shot the smallest group ever in a registered match...a .009" five shot group. As is, the rules say that one must beat an existing record by...get this....009" to be recognized as a new record. So I'm guessin" that record is safely in the hands of the duece, for a very long time. Not sayin' the ppc and a few others won't out agg it, but the duece has it's place in the record book and is still a very fine round. --Mike
It already has in BR for score, ;D ;D but in the newish UBR caliber neutral target scoring, I believe a .22 cal holds several of the current records.JRS said:
Just stirring the pot, but the 30BR is only "king" in score based on quantitative numbers. The 30 Major has beaten quite a few BR's, head to head.
--MikeFrom the 49 th edition of the Lyman Reloading Handbook, page 152: 6mm ppc: "This cartridge has proven itself the most accurate round ever developed. Its originators, Ferris Pindell and Dr. Louis Palmisano were the first of many bench rest shooters to so prove. Today the "six" holds more records than any other cartridge".
you guy's are all wrong the 22ppc was the original development that dethroned the triple duce around 1974-1975 it wasent till a few years later that the 6ppc kind of took over. when i first started shooting benchrest around 1998 there were still a few 22ppc's on the line that some had not given up on yet. I also had three 22ppc's before i went to the 6ppc. last summer there was a guy shooting a 22ppc and he had several low .100 groups with it. Now with the LT32 powder i have heard break out the 22ppc's once again.
But i guess the 222 still holds the world reccord for the smallest 5-shot group at 100yrds. it just cant keep up in the agg.
yes i would say the 6ppc is the undisputed king of the hill. in 100 to 300 yard group shooting.
But i guess the 222 still holds the world reccord for the smallest 5-shot group at 100yrds. it just cant keep up in the agg.
yes i would say the 6ppc is the undisputed king of the hill. in 100 to 300 yard group shooting.
To some of our most accurate friends....I apparently run in a different shooters circle. Shooting dimes at 100 with factory ammo and gun=.100 5 shot group@100 yds, quarters at 200=.250 5 shot group@200 yds. Conversely, custom gun "point blank" BR 5 shot groups: dimes at 100= .010@100yds and quarters at 200=.025@200yds. I'm guessing by some of the comments received, some may have thought dimes and quarters had something to do with US currency? These wallet groups have been accomplished using the "triple deuce". Thanks to Mike from gunsandgunsmithing on his response "the .222 will have always shot the smallest group ever in a registered match...a .009" five shot group. With that said of the .222 I'd have to agree on the 6ppc for 300 yds and beyond. No disrespect to anyone intended.
BigDMT
Correct me if I'm wrong, but...
I believe that smallest group was also shot with the debut of the CCI BR4 primer? Wasn't it one of the "McMillan" boys who invented the BR4 in his shop, used it to shoot the smallest group ever, then eventually had it produced by CCI? I also believe there was a lot of debate with scorers that it was possibly the "perfect zero". But eventually was recorded as .009" and thus leaving the
perfection to still be had.
I think I remember reading all that somewhere years ago anyhow, I may be wrong ....
I believe that smallest group was also shot with the debut of the CCI BR4 primer? Wasn't it one of the "McMillan" boys who invented the BR4 in his shop, used it to shoot the smallest group ever, then eventually had it produced by CCI? I also believe there was a lot of debate with scorers that it was possibly the "perfect zero". But eventually was recorded as .009" and thus leaving the
perfection to still be had.
I think I remember reading all that somewhere years ago anyhow, I may be wrong ....
The 30 Major has a powder capacity right between the ppc and br cases.--Mike EzellFJIM said:
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