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Someone explain this to me, please!

The only time an FFL is not needed is within a single state and between individuals, at the current time that is. In other words, you could meet someone at your local range and make a transfer there without the FFL requirement. BUT, and this is a biggy in my mind, check ID and draw up a bill of sale to protect yourself if there is anything wrong later.


Yes I know this and this is how a lot of folks are able to buy guns, especially long guns and it just isn't fair to take this away from them. The club I belong to and area I live in a lot of folks just can't pay for a new gun so they buy a used gun and are able to shoot with us and be happy.
Dave T
 
DennisH said:
Individuals can sell between each other without a FFL involved is most states. It's best to call in the serial number to your local sherrif to cover yourself (buyer).

Personally, I always like to go through a FFL to cover all sides of the transaction. Many people do this as insurance on the transaction to cover themselves.

Dennis

+++1 on that, Dennis!
 
If you buy a gun from a FFL holder they must run a back ground check, at a store, at a gun show, or online. However, if I list a gun for sale on Craig’s List I do not have to run a back ground check. Now, I don’t know if Craig’s List will allow you to list a gun for sale on their web site. There are a lot of on-line sites that will not allow guns to be listed for sale. So actually, there are very few gun sales transactions on line.
Another ruse is that 40 per cent of all guns sold are at gun shows with no back ground checks! Now I don’t disbelieve that 40 per cent of all guns sold are at gun shows. But again, if a gun is sold by a FFL holder they must run a back ground check. Now those of us who have gone to gun shows know there are a few individuals that are trying to sell a privately owned gun. Generally the guns being sold by individuals are antiques, single shots, old and sometimes non-working guns. They are trying to get some cash some they can buy another gun. Thus very few guns even sold by individuals at gun shows without back ground checks.
 
Yep, every person i made a transaction with on this forum ended up being a honest person. All the shooting supply company's i bought items from been great too. I sure like midwayUSA. Spent LOTS of money there and NEVER once had a order screwed up or lemon item in my order.
 
With transfers between individuals as in the now transfer thru an FFL, the y are wanting a background check to NCIS, at which time any inquiry can and probably will be recorded into a Data Base, i.e., FFL Lic #, purchaser and id of purchaser(SSN??), etc. This would give and store pertinent information that could always be accessed at any time by the "proper authorities" and thus they could contact the FFL, review their records(which they must retain for 20 yrs) and in essence your weapon is registered with access upon request of those records. For example: Joe Smith ID # was background check inquiry from FFL# on May 1, 1015 at 10:20 AM EST. Proper authorities can access this info and inquire of your FFL what are the records indicating. those records include Make Model and Serial # of the weapon. Thus registration, FEDS on keep data base records of inquiries and FFL keeps hard records and serial# which can be accessed. this is registration and tracking of those weapons that here to now may not have had a FFL involvement. Let your mind be free and pretend what all this can accomplish. As far as the 15 yr prison term for keeping a record of those transactions by the Feds, yeah, believe that if you want, all it will take is an amendment to that law at a later date( DEM controll Senate and House) to repeal that 15 year penalty. Now the kicker, if your FFL ceases business all those records and logs are surrendered to the ATF. The best background check without GOVT interference or record keeping would be for the FFL to access the NCIS data base and determine IF YOUR NAME was on that list, without giving your personal info for the inquiry. It would be a list of those NOT qualified to own, If the FFL does not see your name on the list, your are GTG.. Think of it as the NO FLY list, your FFL checks the list, no name on the list, no problem. We do not need to divulge any information on the purchaser of a weapon, which can be entered into a data Base. Jonbearman hit right on with his post.
 
If they made a law that would guarantee that confiscation would only occurr if you were convicted of a crime or deemed mentally incompetent by your family,doctors and a court judje and allow the family to take his or her guns and keep them or sell them for the defendant there wouldnt be a problem.In new york they are checking records(medical) and seeing if you were ever on paxil,prozac etc and trying to confiscate till they got caught is wrong.There are millons of people in the usa and around the world taking them mainly due to light depression caused by all the worry created by inept,out of touch political machines,economy etc. I say so what.They dont have the right as half of government who makes these historical life changing laws are on them as well and the rest of them are alcoholics and other dumb things they do seem to be right with news stations conducting surveys from the households that will give them the right percentages.
 
Lapua40X said:
We share you anxiety out here on the left coast. We have Feinstein, Boxer and Pelosi out here. Pray for us brothers.

Lapua 40x;

My heart goers out to anyone living in CA. Everything is illegal there. At the SS, we got guys that come from CA. that can't even buy brake cleaner, ( to clean their bore brushes) so they have to get it where ever they travel to. On top of that, I was in San Diego last year, took a walk around looking at homes for sale. There were homes that here in Wisconsin would sell for $130,000, ( with a full basement), and their price tag was $450,000. I still gasp at the prices there. Maybe thats why many have moved to CO. and surrounding states.
 
mr. joe has joined our pretend prez. insulted the people of wv has a big stink on his shoe. election will be interesting. lets see how many voters remember how he sold us down the road, say it isn't so joe before its to late
 
I'm a fellow Mountaineer painter, and sorry to say it is so. Bad thing about what he's doing is, he's like Franklinstien or Fienstien or what the hell ever is her name, he doesn't even know what the hell the facts are. All he's doing is trying to make a name for himself on a hot issue to move up the Obama slop trough in Washington and stabbing us in the back on the way up. Problem is, his next election isn't for 5 years and he knows this and figures this will have died out, but not for me my friend, I'll never ever ever forget.
Dave T
By the way what part of WV are you in, I live in Harrison Co.
 
Dave T is absolutely right. I did'nt vote for the S.O.B. in the first place. I was born & raised in Grant Co., Smokehole area, but have lived in Berkeley Co. for the last 43 years.
 
I helped vote Senator Manchin into two previous office positions. Even though the election is a long way off, he will not be enjoying my vote the third time. To take such a position by not only supporting anti gun legislation, but...AUTHORING this crap bill, shocking. There needs to be a composite multiple emoticon that expresses stupid, surprised, bizzarre, disgust and finally defeat.
 
The only explanation is .......Mentally Deficient. A couple of centuries ago they were called "the village idiots". The sad thing is that they reproduce and walk among us.
 
AZMETAL I think we have a very large problem,they are not just reproducing,but they seem to multiply like rabbits.Very scary,they still like the idiot in the White House.............
 

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