Interesting Criteria for Private Firearms Sale...

[savagedasher]

If it will bring peace of mind to any of you good folks here fully opposed to background checks, Montana Senator Steve Daines (R) and Montana Representative Ryan Zinke (R), a retired Commander of US Navy SEAL Team 6, both stated that they will oppose the new Obama executive orders on gun laws to the fullest extent of their ability.

Obama needs to secure funding from Congress for his expanded background check laws to take effect. If he can't get the votes to secure the money, he has nothing.

I support background checks to a certain extent and also realize they are not the total solution. However, I do not think expanding the depth of the laws and checks is in any way the solution especially when it will come at the expense of the hard working law abiding American citizens. This country is broke and in debt up to the hairline. We cannot afford any additional expendetures on liberal hogwash.

I support locking criminals up . Why do we need more laws. Criminals don't abide any laws. Like another will make a difference
I think not . Larry

 

[CharlieNC]

Yes criminals will break any law to obtain a weapon. I would feel quite bad if I sold a gun to a person I did not know, and he used it to kill someone. On that basis I am fine selling via a FFL with the background check so at least I know I'm not selling to a felon. To me its the responsible, ethical thing to do. Do I have complete trust in the government, no, but likewise I do not trust unknown individuals either.

 

[RockyMtnMan]

Here you go folks. Even the NRA supports background checks but also realizes it is greatly flawed. Wayne Lapierre tells about the loop holes and failures of the background check system and what needs to be done in order to make it work more effectively.

Not sure if you need a Facebook account to watch this video. I apologize if it is required and you do not have an account.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153368465927898&id=39723237897

 

[tenring]

This started with "the loophole" at gun shows. Now it includes everyone and everywhere. Most gun shows have dealers available to do the background checks. If that was obbammy's original intent, why did he not require that no gun goes out the door without it?

And I just renewed my concealed carry permit with background check by the county sheriff. If I buy a gun tomorrow, I still need another? Stupid.

 

[snert]

When are we just going to recognize that liberty ("endowed by our Creator with rights") is the flip side of "responsibility"? Both are personal.
We do not have some giant collective concsciousness that we must all genuflect to on Twitter. That is the religion of the masses. We Americans are individuals, and we have rights that no government has the right to infringe upon. That individuals must somehow jump through ever increasingly small hoops to exercise liberty is a symptom of failed morality. Apparently gone are the days of personal integrity, self-control, individual responsibility. In its place we have mass twitter stonings and the increase of laws where personal restraint once ruled the day.

The result is measurable change.
Where once I could be seen getting off the school bus with TWO rifles (1981) because if I ever did anything remotely dangerous with it (let alone violent) my dad would have personally kicked the $*@T out of me, now we have "free spirits" who are raised with the knowledge that they are "special" who steal guns from parents, kill them and a bunch of innocent people and as a whole we gasp and enact laws, twitter our horror and ignore the fact it was a PERSON who did the deed, not "society", the "gun lobby" or the "people who cling to guns and religion". So today when I build an empty 308 case with bullet and give it as a gift to a family friend, I have to warn him "don't take it to school" cause some naboob will think he is a nut. THAT is a loss of liberty.

How we think results in changes in our actions. Ideas matter. And the progressive philosophy has brought nothing but an erosion of personal liberty and responsibility for the last 120 years.

So I will continue to speak out in Free speech, refuse warrantless searches, excercise the right to bear arms, gather in assemblies with others of like mind, refuse to hang out with those I don't want to be around, pray and worship as conscience dictates, and not ask permission to do any of those things. When I am found in violation of some law that is itself a violation of my rights, i will pay the (ungodly and unconstitutional) price, and my words in defense will be "liberty...for ALL".

A free man does not ask for his rights, he exercises them.

 

[/VH]

^+1, Exactly

 

[Taildrag15X]

Just remember when everyone has to do a background check, all they have to do then is change the criteria to pass a background check. Already a felon cant own a gun, I disagree with this. Gun related felonies, yes, but not all should prevent gun ownership IMO.

A Felony is a Felony, shouldn't matter, if they steal, sell drugs, have 3 DWI's, etc I don't want them to have any weapons!!
If you can't keep your nose clean you lose, it's personal responsibility that's missing from this world.

 

[Alex Wheeler]

A Felony is a Felony, shouldn't matter, if they steal, sell drugs, have 3 DWI's, etc I don't want them to have any weapons!!
If you can't keep your nose clean you lose, it's personal responsibility that's missing from this world.

Ok, this is a year old thread. I stand by my opinion though. Run for office and start pushing your will on others, you'll fit right in.

 

[MGYSGT]

Can't believe what I am reading.

 

[Joe Salt]

Guess I can add my two cents! I've had a C.C.P since 1969, but when I go to buy another gun, they want to see my drivers licence. Best way to put put an end to this crap is if you are caught with an illegal gun it should be 20 years in jail. I hate when they screw with my freedoms.

Joe Salt

 

[Hasbeen1945]

A lot of folks sure haven't read the second amendment.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

It's always been the seller's option to have an FFL do the transfer of a gun, for a small fee. You don't have to have a permission slip from the gov't to do this, nor should you be required to. Most here are losing sight of the real problem....The problem is NOT an inordinate object that we call a gun, any more than it is a hammer.

 

[XTR]

Without a database of who owns what how do you ensure that you properly enforce a requirement that all xfers are done through an FFL?

Some folks should just move to Kali if they want to live that way.

 

[SheepDog]

The constitution doesn't give the government any power over the transfer of arms from private individuals. They (the government) don't have the lawful authority to infringe on the keeping or bearing of arms in any way. That includes federal, state and local governments. It is a birth right not some government granted privilege.
If you don't stand up for your rights you won't have them.

 

[theMadAlaskan]

Ok, this is a year old thread. I stand by my opinion though. Run for office and start pushing your will on others, you'll fit right in.

I agree with Alex, violent felons should not be allowed to own firearms but you can become a felon for silly non violent offenses. Check out "Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent" by Harvey Silvergrate.

 

[people]

A Felony is a Felony, shouldn't matter, if they steal, sell drugs, have 3 DWI's, etc I don't want them to have any weapons!!
If you can't keep your nose clean you lose, it's personal responsibility that's missing from this world.

Yes and no. Here in ND you can get your firearms rights back for nonviolent felony convictions if they keep their nose clean for 10 years.

 

[/VH]

FWIW.......Earlier, this year, in my home town, a police officer was shot to death by a convicted felon, who had a warrant out for his arrest and a gun. The felon was then shot to death by another police officer. I'm thinking it was illegal for that felon to; posses the gun that he used to kill that police officer, attempt to kill that officer and to actually kill that officer but I'm not sure just which laws felons actually comply with.

So, I think stacking laws with the intent of preventing someone from breaking another ("more important") law is just 'feel good' BS and generally infringes on the rights 'endowed by our creator', as snert mentioned above. How bout we have just a few simple laws, enforce those laws and adequately penalize those who are convicted? Moses didn't come off the mountain with volumes.

 

[Jammer Six]

All adults except those who are certifiably insane should be allowed to own any weapon they require.

All adults. Felons. If their sentence isn't finished, don't let them out. If it is finished, they have a right to self defense, just like you and me. Immigrants. Muslims. Aliens. All adults.

All rights, all the people, all the time.

What's hard?

 

[danny]

I am a member of a closed group on Facebook that is specifically designed for only the members to post classified adds for guns, hunting gear, shooting equipment, etc. All members are from my home state of Montana.

As I was reading through the adds, a fella had a Remington 700 for sale. In his add he stated: "must have a concealed weapon license, FFL license, or pass a Federal background check at your own expense to purchase this firearm if I do not personally know you"

At first I thought of his statement as coming off in a slightly anti-gun manner, but then I thought about it for a while...Why not sell out guns this way through private sales? I imagine the reason he is doing this is because you can ship a firearm from one individual to another individual within the state of Montana without the need of a FFL dealer or background check. Shipping out of state, there is no choice but to ship it to a FFL.

It would help reduce the chance of a gun getting into the hands of a violent or mentally dimented criminal within our state. If they did not have a FFL or Concealed Weapon License, the background check would be a little inconvenience, but if they are a law abiding citizen wanting to purchase a firearm, they have nothing to worry about. I know that is not fool proof by any means, but it would definitely weed some of the bad guys out. Dealers are required to conduct background checks, why shouldn't we do it ourselves if we want to?

I fully support private firearm sales as I have sold many firearms that way myself, but this has me thinking...This is definitely a way to help keep guns out of the wrong hands within our own state. I'm still kind of on the fence about it, but am leaning towards this man's method of private firearm sales within my own state.

What are your thoughts on this?

NOT interesting....

Danny

 

[Alex Wheeler]

All adults except those who are certifiably insane should be allowed to own any weapon they require.

All adults. Felons. If their sentence isn't finished, don't let them out. If it is finished, they have a right to self defense, just like you and me. Immigrants. Muslims. Aliens. All adults.

All rights, all the people, all the time.

What's hard?

You dont make a very good liberal thinking like this. Or republican for that matter. You may be a Libertarian and not know it lol.