Snowflake proof job

[JFrank]

My dog had a fairly good job, hanging out with mom all day, chasin cats and barkin at the church lady.

 

[rammac]

They are different. Neither is "better" or "stupid"

So the universal language (mathematics) isn't really universal is it. If I build a product in the U.S. it's okay if the math used to create the product doesn't work in Europe? Now that is "stupid" don't you think?

 

[people]

My most deadly question.
Whats 1-7/8 +13/16?
Heres a pencil and paper.
Most people cant even roll up a garden hose.

I love this question. I do not have a flipping clue. I can figure it out with a calculator, a good tape measure or I can adjust some settings on my machining centers and get the answer that way. They are all set to metric.

My brother works for a city in OK and he said he watched a fellow city worker try and fail to connect a hose to the spigot. This guy could not figure out how a screw worked. I would say his Dad failed him but I bet he does not know who he is.

 

[garandman]

So the universal language (mathematics) isn't really universal is it. If I build a product in the U.S. it's okay if the math used to create the product doesn't work in Europe? Now that is "stupid" don't you think?

No, I don't think that is stupid.

Any more than I think electrical outlets and current used in Europe, both different than Americas, are "stupid."

They are just different.

Yes, its OK if the math you use in America doesn't work in Europe.

Its OK if Europeans drive on tthe wrong side of the road too.

And if their language is different than ours. And their clothing styles.

And no. Mathematics are not a universal language at all.

 

[rammac]

Wow...you sure took my comment and dove off the deep end with it.

Ever heard of microns? Far more accurate for any precision work humans are capable of doing with any machine. And far finer measurement than even ten thousandths of an inch (.0001") used in the SAE system.

Sure I've I'm aware of units like microns and angstroms, show me a hand tool that measures them that the average machinist could afford and use. It's obvious that you never worked in a manufacturing environment. I worked for a company that rebuilt automotive starters and alternator housings. We had problems with the alternators not fitting together properly, the problem was traced to the Chinese company not properly converting our SAE dimensions to their metric system. The cheapest solution was to involve another milling step at our factory to fix their error. That was an expensive discovery and resolution process just because they didn't use a precise enough dimension. The default unit in the metric system is the millimeter and while our default unit was .001 of an inch and there are 39.37 thousandths of an inch in one mm so it's pretty easy for the average European to make a large dimensional error when working with SAE units.

 

[rammac]

No, I don't think that is stupid.

Any more than I think electrical outlets and current used in Europe, both different than Americas, are "stupid."

They are just different.

It's obvious that you've never had to work with precision prints in a manufacturing environment. You're one of those people that have no clue as to the kinds of problems this math issue can create. NASA lost a multi-billion dollar Mars probe due to a math/metric conversion error in 1999.

 

[garandman]

I love this question. I do not have a flipping clue. .

Step 1: 1-14/16 - = 30 /16ths.

Step 2: Add 13/16ths to get 43 / 16.

Step 3: 43/16 = 2-11/16ths.

 

[garandman]

It's obvious that you've never had to work with precision prints in a manufacturing environment. You're one of those people that have no clue as to the kinds of problems this math issue can create. NASA lost a multi-billion dollar Mars probe due to a math/metric conversion error in 1999.

LOL.... I'm "one of those people" huh....

Chill out, dude. I don't need your condescending attitude.

And a gov't agency did something stupid? Stop the presses! There's a shocker. But its in no way justification to characterize a 1,000+ year old math system as "stupid."

 

[muleman69]

Why do you all think unrestricted immigration is allowed? Cheap labor

I no what you are saying but in our industry (forestry) all are paid the same but the immigrants work twice as hard rain or shine

 

[shoot4fun]

My son, 33 YO, has owned and operated his own business since he was 17. It started with a lawnmower, weedeater and blower and him doing it alone. It grew to him having a single helper in a short time. It wasn't any trouble to find young people his age willing to work for him. That was until they did work for him and found out it was, well, work. Today he owns a few hundred thousand bucks worth of machinery for landscaping, excavating, concrete forms and pours and Lawncare (now including being licensed by the State to apply the fertilizers and weed killers).
Now, instead of having multiple knowledgable employees, he has a constant in-out flow of people with little to no experience and (worse) no common sense. Several have walked off the job at lunch never to return for even a last paycheck. He constantly hears "it's too hot" or "this is too hard" and I've seen the bewilderment on faces of young guys who get the deer in the headlights face when he asks them to go get the framing square.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Sure I've I'm aware of units like microns and angstroms, show me a hand tool that measures them that the average machinist could afford and use.

WHAT???

Ever "mic" anything? What do you think "micrometer" stands for?
Yes the US version mics can measure down to .00005 of an inch, but they also measure down to .001 mm...which is 1 micron. Thought I'd share that to be clear in case you've missed that little bit of information during your entire "manufacturing/machinist" career

 

[Rustytigwire]

1-7/8 +13/16
take 1/8 from 13/16 leaves 11/16
add 1/8 to 1-7/8 is 2
2 plus 11/16

 

[Dusty Stevens]

WHAT???

Ever "mic" anything? What do you think "micrometer" stands for? No such thing as "micro-inch".
Yes the US version mics can measure down to .00005 of an inch, but they also measure down to .001 mm...which is 1 micron. Thought I'd share that to be clear in case you've missed that little bit of information during your entire "manufacturing/machinist" career

Youve never heard of a micro inch? Its used quite often in machine type environments. As common of a word as thousandth actually in a production environment.
https://www.aqua-calc.com/what-is/length/microinch

 

[CT10ring]

Got to comment here. I have lead an interesting life and I'll try and be brief.
Parents were educators. Dad had a Post hole digger from Univ. of Ga. in Philosophy, Mom had a Masters in education from LR in Hickory NC. Needless to say, their elder son was somewhat of an anomaly. Smart, never had to study. Spent most of his time in the woods. Killed all kinds of stuff with a recurve bow by the age of 14.
Finally conceded to buy a gun for the boy on his 15th Christmas.
A Marlin 150 pump 12 ga.. Killed a lot with that. Next year came a Marlin 39 A. That was it, they were done with guns.
That kid showed a ton of artistic talent and in the nature of that day, the kid was going to be the 2cd gen college bound.Allready had a battery of IQ tests so Pop could write a ton of papers on how tests were biast to a certain group.
In any case I scored pretty high.
I chose a trade school in 1983. When I got out everything had been taken over by computers ( Graphic design ) but I could do it by hand.
Got into printing. German?American company with an apprenticeship program. 6 months before obtaining my journeymen's papers we were bought out by an American Co. and I was laid off, along with hundreds, permanently.
My 1st wife was pregnant with our son, I was to proud to sign up so.......
Worked at a general store for $200 a week cash.
Tried a job building mobile homes but it didn't work out.
Supplied catfish fillets to the local restaurant by jug fishing for cash.
Got a job installing duct work for a local HVAC contractor.
Learned the service trade on my own because this guy was dick.
Applied in 1993 for a job at a huge retirement facility - 150 acre campus. Independent living to skilled care as a Maintenance tech for $7.83 an hr.
Left 5 years ago as Director of Plant Ops making 52 K a year.
Bought a gun store. I'm my own boss. Haven't had a paycheck in 6 months BUT damn I'm a happier man.

By contrast - My son has a degree in computer science.
Upon graduation he had a job around 75K a year. In 2 years he was at 100 K and he gave me a call today that he to a job with another company and would start at 162K a year.
My first words - proud of you, good job.
2nd words - Pay off the student debt it took 4 working adults to pay for. 2 parents and two step parents. This shit is killing us.
Time to man up boy.
We will see what happens, but I am still proud of him.

good read! My son went to a well known univ. in Washington DC. He worked 2 jobs there, also, and it was a tough course of study. No student loans. Summers - paid intern @ $825/week. While at school there, he was selling $10,000 worth clothes / week (!) retail working at Brooks Brothers.
Now living in NYC, on his 3rd job @ age 25, he is making a huge salary, got a signing bonus (!), AND- he is also working 2 OTHER JOBS in addition to his corporate gig. He is a senior data analyst. Trust me, there are plenty 20+ yr olds who know the value of work and that more responsibility = more $. His friends - same. Working. It's in your DNA, or it isn't. Plenty of opportunity in this country.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Youve never heard of a micro inch? Its used quite often in machine type environments. As common of a word as thousandth actually in a production environment.
https://www.aqua-calc.com/what-is/length/microinch

Ok, yeah I was wrong there. Edited post

 

[garandman]

Why do you all think unrestricted immigration is allowed? Cheap labor

Actually... for votes.

 

[Ledd Slinger]

If you think about it, when measuring in thousandths, ten thousandths, or millionths of an inch, you are dividing an SAE measurement in metric terms which is all based on divisions of 10. That makes SAE even more messed up when trying to make conversions.

The SAE system is flawed. Theres no denying it. A system based on 12 inches, which is then broke own into units of 16,32,64,128...then also converted into thousandths which is a 10 base??? What the heck?

I was born and bred in the United States and served honorably in the military. I love my country, but even our military uses metric.

 

[mac86951]

i was thinking today, watching my friend who is a 43yr old ac man, working on my air conditioner that not in the too distant future jobs like this will be so rare that he will be able to totally wreck a snowflakes bank account servicing their ac units since there will be so few young people getting into the trades. Imagine how much an electrician can charge a guy who has never held a screwdriver to install a ceiling fan? How much a tire shop will be able to get for installing new tires on priuses?

It's started already. We have tire shops upcharging for pumpkin-spice air...

 

[Ledd Slinger]

Riiiigghhhttt. It hasn't worked for more than 1,000 years or anything.

I'm NOT saying SAE doesnt "work". You wont find that statement anywhere in any of my posts. I'm saying its messed up and a lot more difficult to use when conversions need to be made.

With the metric system, all you do is move the decimal point around for conversions. Doesnt get any easier.

 

[garandman]

I'm NOT saying SAE doesnt "work". You wont find that statement anywhere in any of my posts. I'm saying its messed up and a lot more difficult to use when conversions need to be made.

With the metric system, all you do is move the decimal point around for conversions. Doesnt get any easier.

Its really NOT more difficult.

Adding 1-14/16 to 13/16 is not more difficult than adding 1.875 to 0.8125.

Its ONLY different. Not "messed up" or any such.

I dare say the negative associations made with SAE / British Imperial are due to the dumbing down going on in the schools that teach "values clarification" instead of mathematics, personal finance, reading and writing.

ETA: and civics and the Constitution