00Scot said:
It must really suck to live in CA...
New Savage - Dissappointment!
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It must really suck to live in CA...
Maybe, IF Savage really cared, they could get you into a special permit so that you could just go hunting after you get your new rifle and get it set up and shooting. LOL 
I really do feel bad for you that this whole thing didn't work out like it should have. Just keep in mind that it could be worse. You could have 2-3 times more money stuck in a custom job and still be having the same sort of problems. I'm not going to cry about it though.
Good luck with the new stick when it comes, I'm sure it will shoot great.
Jason
I really do feel bad for you that this whole thing didn't work out like it should have. Just keep in mind that it could be worse. You could have 2-3 times more money stuck in a custom job and still be having the same sort of problems. I'm not going to cry about it though.
Good luck with the new stick when it comes, I'm sure it will shoot great.
Jason
bozo699
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Scot,LRPV said:Maybe, IF Savage really cared, they could get you into a special permit so that you could just go hunting after you get your new rifle and get it set up and shooting. LOL
I really do feel bad for you that this whole thing didn't work out like it should have. Just keep in mind that it could be worse. You could have 2-3 times more money stuck in a custom job and still be having the same sort of problems. I'm not going to cry about it though.
Good luck with the new stick when it comes, I'm sure it will shoot great.
Jason
Jason is spot on I didn't have problems with a custom b ut I did buy a new Kimber 8400 7mmWSM, it shot 1.5" groups at 100 yards with the very best loads I could develop, when I called to complain they said it was in compliance I called and complained enough they said to send it back, after months of fighting in all I had my rifle back with a group that wasn't what I really wanted but was acceptable,..1/2" I got it out cleaned it and headed for the range, first 3 shot group after one fouler measured 1 1/4" ??? I let it cool and tried again 1.5"
I called Kimber right back, why isn't this rifle grouping?? the guy that answered said he was the one who personally shot the rifle and said it was well within spec's he said he couldn't recall exactly but though it shot around 1/2" I said that is what the group you sent measured but I can't duplicate it, he then insulted me in wondering if I could hold 1/2" accuracy and blah blah blah!! finally he ask what my set up was, I said a solid concrete bench a inexpensive but plenty good enough for this project a Caldwell rock creek front rest w/proper front bag and a protektor rear bag 100 yards over wind flags on a calm day, he said his setup mus much better, concrete bench with gun mounted in shooting vise in under ground tunnel @ 25 yards, I flew off the handle 25 yards!! I screamed about 5 times I said I have daisy BB guns that would shoot better then that at 25 yards he said it was within specs and that was that, the screaming continued and naturally he hung up, I didn't bother calling back and sold the gun the next week. I have a Kimber 84 I think it is in 22 rimfire and it shoots okay, not nearly as well as my cooper but okay but because of the bad taste the $1200 for the rifle, several hundred in components wasted and shipping costs left such a bad taste in my mouth that I can't bad mouth Kimber enough to everyone I talk to! I also have two Kimber acp 45's the first one was there small concealed model, other then the CHEAP bluing that wears right off it has worked flawlessly the other one had to be sent back twice!! back to back for jamming, that's what I want a $1500 pistol I bought for protecting myself and family JAMMING!! they finally fixed it,....whatever now after writing this my blood pressure has spiked through the roof and this happened at least 5 years ago
KIMBER SUCKS best of luck with your new Savage 
Wayne.
bozo699 said:
Of coarse that's no excuse. but I didn't buy a NEW rifle this year just so I could hunt with my OLD rifle one more year.
Trust me, I'm just glad this thing is almost over. The rifle should arrive monday or tuesday, then I have to re-DROS it and wait ten more days. Then....... I can take her out and see how she shoots in my hands.
they are supposed to send me the load info that they used to shoot the .6 group. That way it will save me the trouble of having to work up my own load. That is if the bullet that was used is a decent hunting bullet. I don't think I have ever had a rifle that I didn't have to work up a decent load before I could shoot it accurately on a regular basis. If it turns out the ammo used is a regular over the counter manufactured ammo that would be even luckier for me. I have always wanted to have a rifle that my main load was a plain jane every day boxed manufacturers ammo that I could pick up at any wallyworld or other big chain store. That way I would always have access to my hunting load even out in the middle of nowhere just in case I ran out or forgot to pack it.
00Scot said:
When they tested mine they used the 53g sierra MK HP & the 69g Sierra MKHP BT bullets, but no load data included, just them saying it was a Remington load w/ the 53g bullet & a federal match load w/ 69g bullet.
My own 69g SMKHP load will print in the .300s" easy like the targets they sent back with the gun a while ago.
So will my 50g vmax standard p-dog load on a calm day.
yeah., I remember load info on my return 
it was ammo by Lapua, amazing accuracy for 6mmBR don't you think
it was ammo by Lapua, amazing accuracy for 6mmBR don't you think
I bought a Brown Precision. It cost $3000. When it arrived it was not as light as they said, but I wanted it. I could not get it to group better than about 3" at 100 and the trigger was terrible. When I called the guy he told me he noticed the trigger was a pretty rough. I reminded him I asked for an after market trigger for the 700 action I sent him. After trying two bullets with two powders and two primers I still couldn't get it to shoot. The guy tried to tell me the bullets were the problem. I don't remember all the B.S. but finally I called the credit card company. The lady told me the sooner he gets the rilfe back the sooner you get you money.
About Kimber. I did some shooting for a gun writer with one. It was a single shot heavy barrel .22 long rifle. The best fifty yard group I could get was 1 1/2" with several very expensive ammos. I told him I could beat this Kimber with my 10/22.
About Kimber. I did some shooting for a gun writer with one. It was a single shot heavy barrel .22 long rifle. The best fifty yard group I could get was 1 1/2" with several very expensive ammos. I told him I could beat this Kimber with my 10/22.
I would not put much concern into the load that Savage used. With both my savage rifles, they included a 5 shot group, fired at 100 yds., but only "counted" the best 3 of each 5. Not even close to my requirements for judging the accuracy of a rifle. Go to work & develop your own loads, shoot multiple 5 shot groups, counting all 5 in each & look for consistancy over the long term.
Sorry for the small file. I tried to re size it so that I could upload it here. It didn't work as I intended.
apparently Savage only counts 2 of the 3 shot group when they measure for group size. I unfortuinetelly can not use my calipers to measure it because the battery died. But frmo the looks of it it seems to be around a 3/4 inch group. Still not bad. Workable for a hunting round.
From the load data it looks like it is a Federal boxed ammo. a 70gr Nosler Balistic tip. So I did some looking around on Federals site and it looks like it is their vital Shok ammo.
I will be working up my own load anyway. Since I am in Californiastan I will be working up a non lead load. What I am looking for is one load that I can hunt pig, deer and cayote/bobcat with. So I was planning on a solid non lead bullet. That way I don't have to work up two loads. One to use in the lead free part of Californiastan and one to use in the rest of the world.
I have never had a need to research non lead bullets. Can anyone point me in the right direction. I found that Hornady makes a 80gr GMX. But I havn't looked into any other manufacturers yet. Anyone have any ideas?
I suppose I should ask this question in the relaoding or some other forum. But since I pertains to this specific rifle I thought I might ask it here first.
apparently Savage only counts 2 of the 3 shot group when they measure for group size. I unfortuinetelly can not use my calipers to measure it because the battery died. But frmo the looks of it it seems to be around a 3/4 inch group. Still not bad. Workable for a hunting round.
From the load data it looks like it is a Federal boxed ammo. a 70gr Nosler Balistic tip. So I did some looking around on Federals site and it looks like it is their vital Shok ammo.
I will be working up my own load anyway. Since I am in Californiastan I will be working up a non lead load. What I am looking for is one load that I can hunt pig, deer and cayote/bobcat with. So I was planning on a solid non lead bullet. That way I don't have to work up two loads. One to use in the lead free part of Californiastan and one to use in the rest of the world.
I have never had a need to research non lead bullets. Can anyone point me in the right direction. I found that Hornady makes a 80gr GMX. But I havn't looked into any other manufacturers yet. Anyone have any ideas?
I suppose I should ask this question in the relaoding or some other forum. But since I pertains to this specific rifle I thought I might ask it here first.
By the way, the rifle showed up and is "now" exactly what I ordered which now includes the drop free mag. The rifle is in the condition it should have been the first time around. Action is smooth. Everything works as it should. It now has a properly installed recoil pad and properly mounted scope. And the trigger works as it should. The camo is much better this time around. I only got to look the gun over for a minute because the gun shop was closing when I got there. So far it looks like Savage came through.
But then again I still do not have possession of the rifle nor have I shot it yet. I still have to wait another 10 days because the gun had to be re-DROS'd because it was a completely new receiver. Savage did send a check for the $35 it cost for the 2nd DROS.
I will post a followup once I have the rifle in hand and actually get to shoot her. So far It looks like Savage has kept their end of the agreement.
But then again I still do not have possession of the rifle nor have I shot it yet. I still have to wait another 10 days because the gun had to be re-DROS'd because it was a completely new receiver. Savage did send a check for the $35 it cost for the 2nd DROS.
I will post a followup once I have the rifle in hand and actually get to shoot her. So far It looks like Savage has kept their end of the agreement.
OOScot, I would use 85gr Barnes TSX's on top of Varget H4831 for California and 105gr 87gr Berger VLD's also on top of H4831 for the rest of the world. Try to use Wolf primers if possible.
Sorry, was thinking 6mm BR not .243
Use the ladder method for finding the best group. For boattail (BT) bullets if you can shoot 200 to 300 yards is best. BT bullets take a few hundred yards to settle in. 1MOA is fine for coyote and larger game. If you must have Sub MOA groups then you will most likely suffer muzzle velocity loss therefore, impact energy.
If you have a chronograph use it. If you don't get a Chrony today!!! A chronograph is an indispensable tool when working up loads. There is more to accuracy than just group size. Extreme Spread and Standard Deviation will help you see how efficient your load is. Generally the smaller the Standard Deviation the more efficiently the load is working. Over a long period of time the lowest Standard Deviation will bare out the tights aggregate of groups.
And as for groups here's what I think, “3 is a triplet, 4 is a quartet and 5 is a GROUP.â€
Remember, once you have found the right load at the range, before you go hunting, go back to the range. Load up 50 rounds. Shoot 2 foulers, then ten rounds to recheck your zero. Don't worry, your new ten shoot group may spread out to 2 to 2.5 inches. You just want the bullets to all group around each other. Don't try to chase the bull. Just shoot at the exact same point for all ten shoots.
If they do all group around each other, clean your barrel as normal. Then while still at the range, return to the bench and shoot two more foulers, pack up everything and go hunting the following weekend. The 36 left over rounds should be plenty for any hunt.
PS I'm sure you all already knew all of this. I just wanted to give a little extra for the community.
Sorry, was thinking 6mm BR not .243
Use the ladder method for finding the best group. For boattail (BT) bullets if you can shoot 200 to 300 yards is best. BT bullets take a few hundred yards to settle in. 1MOA is fine for coyote and larger game. If you must have Sub MOA groups then you will most likely suffer muzzle velocity loss therefore, impact energy.
If you have a chronograph use it. If you don't get a Chrony today!!! A chronograph is an indispensable tool when working up loads. There is more to accuracy than just group size. Extreme Spread and Standard Deviation will help you see how efficient your load is. Generally the smaller the Standard Deviation the more efficiently the load is working. Over a long period of time the lowest Standard Deviation will bare out the tights aggregate of groups.
And as for groups here's what I think, “3 is a triplet, 4 is a quartet and 5 is a GROUP.â€
Remember, once you have found the right load at the range, before you go hunting, go back to the range. Load up 50 rounds. Shoot 2 foulers, then ten rounds to recheck your zero. Don't worry, your new ten shoot group may spread out to 2 to 2.5 inches. You just want the bullets to all group around each other. Don't try to chase the bull. Just shoot at the exact same point for all ten shoots.
If they do all group around each other, clean your barrel as normal. Then while still at the range, return to the bench and shoot two more foulers, pack up everything and go hunting the following weekend. The 36 left over rounds should be plenty for any hunt.
PS I'm sure you all already knew all of this. I just wanted to give a little extra for the community.
bozo699
Gold $$ Contributor
glo,glo said:
Your joking of course aren't you??......your very first statement I agree with, the 85 grainTSX would make a good hunting bullet! The rest of your statement? I can't follow it or agree with it, 105's I am not going to reread this whole long thread but I thought this was a .243? A factory .243 is probably going to have a 1:10 twist, a 1:10 won't stabilize a 105VLD, you need a 1:8 and in all my 6brx and Dashers the 105 vld's shoot bug holes at 100 yards and under .7 MOA at 1000 yards. 12 shots out of a little pencil barreled hunting rifle? I have never heard of anyone doing that, 5 shots isn't even necessary in a hunting rifle, I myself would be more interested in consistent cold bore shots as I generally don't warm my barrel up prior to shooting a deer, were all entitled to our opinions and this is mine.
Wayne.
bozo699 said:
No, joking around here. I corrected the hunting bullets and powder to reflect .243 Winchester. I must have had 6mm BR on the brain when I posted the bullets and powders.
By the why, my wife shoots little bug hole 10 shoot groups with her factory, 2009, Remington 700 SPS Stainless Steel, hunting rifle. The load is mixed brass prepped and neck turned, WLR primers, 40.0gr H414 and 95gr Berger VLDs, MV 2954fps. I've shoot the rifle in prone 1000yd and get about 1.5 MOA from the same load.
I use the above method for pre-hunting trips (haven't been for some years do to my health) when using mass produces, noddle barrel hunting rifles. Most of us here at 6mm BR are accomplished hunters and shooters with excellent equipment. Because the Shooting arms manufactures are using more CNC machinery, their barrels are better and the bullets are better, today’s mass produced firearm is light years more accurate then those produces even 15 years ago. My wife’s factory M700 is a testament to that.
Now having said that, I shoot a 10 shoot group before a hunt to check two things. One, are my reloads and rifle in in good working order. Are they ready to be bouncing around on my back for hours as I trek through the hunting area. Two, am I ready to to go hunting or am I so excited that I am pulling fliers left and right, up and down. Remember, it just 10 stupid shoots to the same spot on the target from the bench. Set up time will take longer than to shoot the 10 shoots.
These 10 shots will also thoroughly dirty my barrel so that I clean it as usual. No extra work so the barrel is pretty and sparkling clean with lots of oil inside for protection. I can guaranty any of my factory rifles will print high and to the right by 2 to 3 MOA on the first cold bore shot. No, I want a fouled barrel for my first cold bore shoot.
I hope that clarifies my method of madness.
00scot Well I can't say enough for Savage I bought a Target model 12 Right bolt left port, When I got it In order to remove the bolt you have to press this lever while pressing on the trigger at the same time well it sounds easy but the rifle I got I had a devil of a time to press the lever to remove the bolt. Well instead of contacting Savage I had a friend if mine who is a self professed gunsmith? well he started to monkey with the trigger he filed on the trigger several times He got the lever moving as it should according to the manual with the rifle. I figured I was all set (WRONG) the trigger was now F.U.B.A.R. Wouldn't stay cocked so the next day I called Savage I told them exactly what my friend and I did and that I am really am happy with the rifle. Well I sent it back to Savage I had to send the whole rifle I did $40.00 with priority mail and insurance I learned a hard lesson. Well in a week my rifle was returned from Savage buy UPS they repaired the trigger the lever works as it should the best part there was a bill for the repair my eyes lit up in big bold letters (NO CHARGE) I sinse then had a new rifle that had a slight burr in the barrel. I return it to Savage I told them I shouldn't have to pay for what ever they had to do plus shipping my cost of shipping back to them. Well they replaced the barrel and there was a check in with the rifle for my shipping, they put a new barrel on my rifle and I had it back in a week and a half. We have to realize these rifles are mass produced so there will be problems But I can not praise Savage enough for the service I got. One thing I have learned don't try to pull the wool over thier eyes and say it's a defect by the factory and that is the way you got it doesn't work. In your case it sounds like it was Savages fault all the way. I am 74 and years ago Savages were 2nd class rifles I wouldn't even consider buying one. They have come along way. Good Luck Lou
I FINALLY FINALLY got the rifle home. She's a beauty. I haven't had a chance to get her to the range yet. I'm planning a short hunting trip for Thanksgiving so I hope to get a chance to shoot her then. With the target Savage sent me showing the sub 1 inch group with the Federal 70gr Nosler balisitic tips I feel safe on taking her out this week on the hunt. I picked up the same load that the rifle is supposed to have shot that group with so if all goes well I should be fine for this mini hunting trip. I will shoot a group and make sure the scope is dialed in like it is claimed to be once I get to the hunting grounds and before I take her out for the hunt. Unfortunately I will not get a chance to take her to a range before the trip. So I'm hoping she is dialed in and actually shooting the 1 inch group as claimed.
I'll have a back up rifle with me just in case and I will report back once I get some trigger time with her. All in all I'm happy up to this point. As long as she shoots as claimed I will be satisfied with the outcome. It took 4 months from start to finish. And I'm just glad this is all over.
I'll have a back up rifle with me just in case and I will report back once I get some trigger time with her. All in all I'm happy up to this point. As long as she shoots as claimed I will be satisfied with the outcome. It took 4 months from start to finish. And I'm just glad this is all over.
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