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My First F-TR Target Rifle Build ( UPDATED )

I bought my Remington 700 SPS Tactical 308 a couple years ago just to punch paper and it shot pretty good. Then a friend of mine got tired of shooting his stainless 308 5R Remington and rebarreled it to 6.5x47 Lapua, so I bought his barrel and the Lapua brass that came with it. Shot it for a year or so and could keep it in 3 inches at 500 yds. with the Berger 168 gr. Hybrids.
A while back a gentleman posted a 1.450 Dia. 28.5 in. long Krieger barrel in 300 WSM with 300 rds. down the tube and didn't seem to have any takers, ( not really knowing what I would do with it, but a barrel that big from Krieger costs 450 Bucks ) so I got it for 130 bucks. I had it bore scoped and the guy said it looked great inside, just some copper and powder residue, no fire cracking, so all I had to do was cut off the 300 WSM chamber.
I thought I would try shooting some F class so I did a lot of reading and decided to use a PTG 308 95 Palma reamer and stick it on my action.
I put it in the lathe and turned the chamber end to 1.250 Dia. and then turned it around and put it between centers and offset the tailstock to get the muzzle down to 1.100 Dia. Never having to do something like that before I kept getting chatter after getting about 4 inches into the cut. I tried all sorts of different carbide inserts, even grinding different tips and profiles on them. I finally switched to a tool steel bit and had a lot better success. After 2 passes, which would take 15 min a pass, I would take the barrel out and cool it with water and regrind the tool bit. I was going .010 deep and .004 a rev. So to malke a long story short it took me over 7 hours to get it finished.
I then made a muzzle brake ( just like one of the most effective brakes going ) and installed it ( I know brakes aren't allowed in F class competition, but where I shoot the Gentleman that runs it says just bring what you have and come out and have a good time. I like to just punch paper a lot so the brake makes it kick like a 223. I am going to make a sleeve to cover it if I decide to compete some where else. ) and then threaded and chambered it. The chambering went fairly easy at first but once I got about halfway it got really hard, only taking .010 and then cleaning and relubing like the Vipers video showed. I don't know if it was because the barrel was used, but I heard a KEEK at about .250 left to chamber and then found out I had cracked 3 flutes on the reamer just at the shoulder junction. So I took it out of the floating reamer holder and got the tapping handle and tried it by hand. I would turn the handle and push and after 10 turns I took it out and cleaned the chips and after doing that 3 times I would measure my progress and it would be between .007 and .010 SO 2.5 hours later the bolt closed on my gauge.
I took the barrel to a place here in Phoenix that does Melonite, just like MMI Tru tech ( salt bath nitriding, supposed to double barrel life ) and it was finished the next day, it had a nice satin black finish that felt really smoth and hard. It took an hour to clean it out really good with some JB and then some Bore tech.
I installed it and threw some Varget in some cases and off to the range. Testing at 300 yds with the Berger 168 Hybrids 43 grs of Varget shot the best, 2 groups of 3 shots each right at 1/2 inch.
I loaded up some more and sighted in at 500 because in 2 days I wanted to shoot the F class match.
This was only the second time I had shot F/TR and the first time with my new build and I shot a 570-15X out of 600 at 500 yds. and my last 7 shots were 6 x's and a 10.
So my end Results were well worth all the problems along the way. ;D
My rifle with scope and rings weighs 15lbs 14ozs and my bipod weighs 1lb 7ozs.
Here are a couple pics.
Tarey
Fitting the barrel in the Bobby Hart LRT stock and Devcon bedding including 6 in. of the barrel which is straight 1.250.
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Barrel before Melonite next to the factory 5R barrel
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Barrel after Melonite
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The bore is a little dirty from the salt bath.
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This is what it took to clean it
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This is the finished project.
Rem. 700 Faced and lugs trued, firing pin bushed and turned to .060, EGW 20 MOA base, Burris Black Diamond 6x-24x and Burris XTR rings. Shilen 2 oz benchrest trigger, Bobby Hart LRT stock. Bipod made by me and I have some to sell, will try to post some pics tomorrow. That is my 6.5 WSM that I built in the backround with the stainless barrel.
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And that is me at the match.
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Thanks for reading, sorry it was so long but I told it like I would tell it to one of my friends, which everybody here seems to be.
 
Re: My First F/TR Build

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have done a great job with the gun and the bipod looks nice and light weight. The pictures you posted really tell the story of how the project came together. Enjoy shooting it and remember if you get serious about competing in F T/R you need to get used to the recoil without a muzzle brake fitted. Great work, enjoy!

Ian
 
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Thats a fine looking rifle and sounds like it shoots good too! I have not tried the 168 hybrids yet, I have been working on a some new loads for the 185 hybrid. I was just not as happy with the 175 at 1000. So where did you find that sweet bipod? I am looking for one on my ftr gun that is lightweight and that would fit the bill. Thanks, Matt
 
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You said the rifle weighs 15 lbs 14ozs, just under 16 pounds. Then you say your bipod weighs 1lb 7ozs. So before you mount the scope and rings, your rifle is almost 17.5 pounds. I think, but I'm happy to be corrected, that the Burris Black Diamond and the XTR rings are somewhat more than 10 ounces.

So, if I get this correctly, you created a rifle that is neither F-TR (too heavy) nor NRA (muzzle brake,) legal. What was the point of the exercise?

What am I missing here?
 
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Thanks for the nice comments.
The rifle and scope and rings, ready to go as you see it weigh 15lbs 14 ozs.
Bayou shooter, I said I was just shooting to have some fun, I'm not looking to get NRA classified or take any trophy away from anybody. I just want to learn how to read the wind better and anything else I can learn from the more knowledgeable shooters that compete. None of them had any problems with me or my rifle. Mike says bring what you have and have a good time.

The Bipod I made of my own design and have a couple different ones, but they weigh 1lb 8ozs and my improved one weighs just a little less. I machine the parts on a bridgeport one at a time and have sold about 14 of them so far, but it takes a while to make them.
This flu is trying to kill me, so I will post a couple of pics of them tomorrow and their exact weights. I have 4 of them done right now.
Tarey
 
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Gnergy, great project and great photos. I definitely recognized Rio Salado Sportsman's and Usery Pass. I was there yesterday shooting some test loads at 200 yards out of my 6-284.
 
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GNERGY, Great project, photos are cool as well. I also recognized Rio Salado Sportsman's I almost wore out the Usery Pass Rd. out there a few years ago. Between that and Ben Avery you are in a great shooting place.

You also might consider shooting a couple of registered matches over at Ben Avery, I know you said you weren't interested but you never know. Your rifle makes weight easy for F/TR including your Bipod and there is always a way to take care of the Muzzle Break. Your idea of a cover for it is interesting. If you could come up with a cover that worked and met the F/TR rules you could easily sell them.

Your post certainly wasn't to long for me, and I always enjoy pictures. Good luck with your shooting and let us know how you are doing.

Roland
 
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Thank you for taking the time to explain all that went into your build as wells as speaking to the results. Good luck in the matches, I am sure you will get addicted.
 
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1+..I have that same stock on a long throated 284 just got it back from have an adj creek peice put on...thinking about having a couple barrels salt treated also 7STW & 284 WIN..Danny
 
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I think you did a great job,and if you goto a registered shoot you can always just take the brake off and put a cap on it.Keep up the good work and enjoy learning ho to read the wind.If you research the daily bulletin or the article column you will find a good article on how to read the wind.
 
Re: My First F/TR Build

ryanjay11 said:
A cover over the muzzle brake wouldn't make it legal for F-Class. It would basically be a suppressor, which isn't legal in F-Class and is probably not something you want to slap together without getting the proper paperwork filed first. I never understand the guys that make guns that aren't legal for a class when you set out to build a rifle to shoot in this class from the beginning. It just doesn't make sense. It seems like an excuse to not go to registered matches.

That was my point also, especially seeing the truck axle being used as a barrel. I recently completed a build, making sure the rifle was totally F-TR legal and the barrel on it looks positively thin compared to the one above, but it is longer. Following the rules is part of the game, but since the OP's rifle supposedly makes weight than he just needs to remove the brake.
 
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ryanjay, Don't know if what you say is true or not as to that being legal. I doubt it is, putting a sleeve over the brake is in no way ( that I can see) making it into a suppressor, maybe I am wrong. The man didn't say it was going to put a can over the brake. Lucky for us I guess that the choice would be up to the NRA and not one of us here on a talk forum.

Also your comment about a "Excuse" not to shoot a registered match. Sense when in hell does the man need an "EXCUSE" to do or not do anything?

Who cares why anyone builds a rifle to suit there own needs? There do not seem to be any hard firm rules where he is shooting, since he didn't come to any of us and ask for the money to build it and used his own money, maybe he should get to make the choices as to what he builds. A lot of the things folks do here on Accurate Shooter I don't understand, I just never thought of calling them out for it. Well except maybe this time...

Roland
 
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Roland, I knew you were a straight shooter back when you posted the pic of your RV, boat, jeep combo. ;)
 
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Hombre0321 said:
ryanjay, Don't know if what you say is true or not as to that being legal. I doubt it is, putting a sleeve over the brake is in no way ( that I can see) making it into a suppressor, maybe I am wrong. The man didn't say it was going to put a can over the brake. Lucky for us I guess that the choice would be up to the NRA and not one of us here on a talk forum.

Also your comment about a "Excuse" not to shoot a registered match. Sense when in hell does the man need an "EXCUSE" to do or not do anything?

Who cares why anyone builds a rifle to suit there own needs? There do not seem to be any hard firm rules where he is shooting, since he didn't come to any of us and ask for the money to build it and used his own money, maybe he should get to make the choices as to what he builds. A lot of the things folks do here on Accurate Shooter I don't understand, I just never thought of calling them out for it. Well except maybe this time...

Roland

Roland, I would guess that part of the misunderstanding here if you will is that the title of the thread is "My first F/TR build" but the rifle as illustrated is not F class legal. As you wrote in your post, "There do not seem to be any hard firm rules where he is shooting" and that's fine, but then it's not F class, It's not an F-TR build, it could made to compete in F class by removing the comp, but as as configured in the illustrations it's not. F-TR means F-Target Rifle, and the rules and configuration that define a Target Rifle are clear.
 
Re: My First F/TR Build

Hombre0321 said:
ryanjay, Don't know if what you say is true or not as to that being legal. I doubt it is, putting a sleeve over the brake is in no way ( that I can see) making it into a suppressor, maybe I am wrong. The man didn't say it was going to put a can over the brake. Lucky for us I guess that the choice would be up to the NRA and not one of us here on a talk forum.


Roland
I actually think it would make it a suppressor and while it may not be completely effective, it would be close enough to the definition of a suppressor that the BATFE would probably view it as such. Remember the principle of a suppressor is a means to allow the expansion of the gas in a contained vessel before the gas exists into the atmosphere. By providing the gas expansion room in the baffles covered by the sleeves, the gas is allowed to cool somewhat and the report will be reduced.
 
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I want to apologize to those guys that I rubbed your feathers the wrong way.
NOT REALLY >:( If you would just READ the post, I EXPLAINED Everything. I said muzzle brakes aren't allowed in F/TR Class but since I just PUNCH PAPER a lot that I like it because it kicks like a 223. I could remove the brake if I get serious at competing in F class. And if I did make a sleeve to go over the brake it would completely cover the brake and not let any gasses out, it would not turn it into a supressor. Browing make a brake that was adjustable and you could turn it so it was completely closed, it wasn't concidered a supressor. And pertaining to my truck axle as a barrel, most guys that I know that shoot want their barrel as stiff as possible so heat doesn't change POI. My barrel if you READ the first post is 1.250 Dia at the action as are all Remington barrels, it tapers to 1.100 at the muzzle. My barrel is 27 in long and 2 in of that is the brake. That is why it looks fatter.
I think that the gentleman that runs the F class shoot is bringing more people into the sport. I was just working up some loads one day when he asked me if I had ever shot F class. I didn't know what F class was and he explained it. Then said just come and shoot and have some fun. I came there on the day of the match and was nervous anyway and looking at all the top notch equipment, A lot of rifles made by Victor Bruno, I was even more nervous. I never met a friendlier bunch of guys that were willing to give help and advice, and never got criticized because I had a factory rifle with a brake on it. They just said you are a new guy and come on and we will show you what to do. They just put me down at the end and put a stool between me and he next guy. I only shot a 552 but I had a real good time. Some of them use my bipods now. ;D
Now I have a rifle ( without the brake of course ) that can compete with those guys. Isn't this what we want is to bring more people into the sport?
If Mike wouldn't of asked me to try F class I would just be punching paper, not knowing the fun of the competition that I would be missing. It is also making me a better shooter.
Have a good day :)
Tarey
 
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bayou shooter said:
I'm thinking hombre is baffled by the workings of a suppressor. :)

(I tried very hard to resist. I failed.)

Well bayou shooter, someone here is sure baffled, since it's not me it must be you, and that wasn't hard to resist at all for me. I know very well what a suppressor is I spent 30 Years in the Corp and I am completely familiar with them. I also shoot a monthly Benchrest club match were there are four shooters that shoot a suppressed benchrest rifle every month. Installing a sleeve over a brake I do not think would make the brake and sleeve then a suppressor, but what do I know people are trying all the time to put lipstick on a pig and call it something else ( for the slower readers that is a figure of speech). Interesting that you feel the need to do that.

GNERGY, Sorry that some folks here on this board make you feel like you needed to apologize for anything, you certainly did not have that need. Some of there reactions might just make a new shooter to any competition feel unwelcome I would think. That is not the case and I hope you don't take it that way. The shooting sports have the same problem as a lot of indeavers they "Have" to recruit there members from the Human Race.

Any time you do that there will always be those you want you to substitute there judgement for yours. You have built your rifle your way, you have not asked anyone to bend or break any rules for you to shoot it were you have chosen.

It is a very nice rifle too by the way, and it looks like you put a lot into it, now get out and have some fun. Most shooters won't complain when you show up at your "CLUB" match. They had much rather have you there and shooting...

Roland
 

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