My Covid Regimen

[Ron Gorski]

So is it the ivermectins fault.

No. It's his fault for taking too much. That is what the hospital said. it suppressed his immune system.

 

[Dave Zander]

Everyone has their own opinions on the Covid thing. My wife (RN) worked at the local hospital nearly 47 years, quite a few in the ER and the last 15 on the Intensive Care floor and has been in the thick of this Covid mess.

She has done a lot of research and has firsthand experience with the patients with Covid. She informed me earlier this year she woke up and had no sense of smell which is usually an early indicator. She got tested and yes she had Covid, my Son works at a local Pharmacy and had to get tested and yes he had Covid. I didn't get tested but we all had the same headaches, sore muscles, loss of appetite, sinus drainage and cough. They felt cold but I thought the house felt too hot. About 4 days later it was pretty much over and life went on as usual although we all felt tired for a few more days. I'm 67, she is 65 and me eldest Son is 34. My daughter-in-law and youngest Son both had it, we also babysat my 3 year old Grandson 5 days a week which included our Covid time. He never got a sniffle.

None of us have gotten the vaccine, the Hospital mandated all employees had to have the vaccine or would be terminated. The date for compliance was November 30th, She turned in her letter of resignation and her final day was November 28th. She said nearly 2/3rds of their worse Covid patients had been vaccinated, an increase in strokes, blood clots and organ failure along with other conditions reinforced her decision to not get it.

I did have a close friend and neighbor that hadn't been vaccinated and died but he had other complications along with some things that could be considered malpractice or mistakes with his care. A good many of my friends have been jabbed thinking they are doing the "right" thing and a few others were blackmailed with losing their job without submitting.

We feel there is way more to the jab and masking thing than for our wellbeing. Plenty of resources on the Internet for both arguments but you've all heard it before "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help". Read up on what these vaccinations do to your immune systems, people try to be too sanitary which isn't good for their immune systems.

People have made their decisions, hope whatever it is it works out well for you. We'll stick with our natural antibodies and the 13 times more protection than the vaccines based on the Israeli study. Haven't worn a mask yet, I refuse to due to their ineffectiveness but will consider a shield if I wish to visit a friend that may have a compromised immune system.

Take time to inform yourself, over a 99% survival rate if you get Covid but you'll be flipping the coin on the vaccination killing you and you still aren't immune to the virus even after all the jabs. Once you get them there is no "do overs", there is no long term studies or data as to side affects down the road to help in your decision.

Topstrap

Agree with all this. My wife was a RN for 37 years and has done a lot of studying and confirming with many doctors she knows and trusts. your comments are right on point with her findings.
We both have had it and with the early proper treatment came thru without a problem. Have relatives that have been vaxed and many of them have tested positive for covid and or been sickly since getting the vaccine. Do your research, it should be your choice, not the government. Health care is a business, big business. I think everyone is going to get this sooner or latter if your around anyone, its inevitable and what there calling a vaccine isn't going to stop it.

 

[jk80]

Comments

If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely Protected for Life​

If you’ve had COVID-19, even a mild case, major congratulations to you as you’ve more than likely got long-term immunity, according to a team of researchers from Washington University School of Medicine. In fact, you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents — once you’ve had the disease and recovered, you’re immune, most likely for life.
The evidence is strong and promising, and should be welcome and comforting news to a public that has spent the last year, 2020, in a panic over SARS-CoV-2.
Increasingly evidence is showing that long-lasting immunity exists.

Initial Reports That COVID Immunity Was Fleeting Were Flawed​

Seasonal coronaviruses, some of which cause common colds, yield only short-lived protective immunity, with reinfections occurring six to 12 months after the previous infection. Early data on SARS-CoV-2 also found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19, leading some to speculate that protective immunity against SARS-CoV-2 may also be short-lived.
Senior author of the study, Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, pointed out that this assumption is flawed, stating in a news release:


The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection.
The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected. In a commentary on the study, Andreas Radbruch and Hyun-Dong Chang of the German Rheumatism Research Centre Berlin explained:

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.
Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.” According to Ellebedy, “A plasma cell is our life history, in terms of the pathogens we’ve been exposed to,” and it’s in these long-lived BMPCs were immunity to SARS-CoV-2 resides.

Long-Term Immunity Likely After COVID-19 Infection​

For the study, blood samples were collected from 77 people who had recovered from COVID-19, about one month after the onset of symptoms; most had experienced mild cases. Additional blood samples were collected three more times at three-month intervals to track antibody production; memory B cells and bone marrow were also collected from some of the participants.
Levels of anti-SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (S) antibodies declined rapidly in the first four months after infection, then slowed over the next seven months. The most exciting part of the research is that, at both seven months and 11 months after infection, most of the participants had BMPCs that secreted antibodies specific for the spike protein encoded by SARS-CoV-2.
The BMPCs were found in amounts similar to those found in people who had been vaccinated against tetanus or diphtheria, which are considered to provide long-lasting immunity.
“Overall, our data provide strong evidence that SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans robustly establishes the two arms of humoral immune memory: long-lived BMPCs and memory B cells,” the researchers noted. This is perhaps the best available evidence of long-lasting immunity, Radbruch and Chang explained, because this immunological memory is a distinct part of the immune system that’s essential to long-term protection, beyond the initial immune response to the virus:

In addition, in 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection. This also suggests that long-term immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected. Ellebedy even said the protection is likely to continue “indefinitely”:

Dr Ali Ellebedy who is quoted in the article has said on his Twitter account that the article has cherry picked and misquoted him. Sometimes it takes some more digging to check things.

 

[jackieschmidt]

I had my booster this afternoon at the local HEB Pharmacy. Phizer.

My wife and I have both had Covid, both Phizer shots, and now the booster.

Just common sense.

 

[thejamesd]

Everyone has their own opinions on the Covid thing. My wife (RN) worked at the local hospital nearly 47 years, quite a few in the ER and the last 15 on the Intensive Care floor and has been in the thick of this Covid mess.

She has done a lot of research and has firsthand experience with the patients with Covid. She informed me earlier this year she woke up and had no sense of smell which is usually an early indicator. She got tested and yes she had Covid, my Son works at a local Pharmacy and had to get tested and yes he had Covid. I didn't get tested but we all had the same headaches, sore muscles, loss of appetite, sinus drainage and cough. They felt cold but I thought the house felt too hot. About 4 days later it was pretty much over and life went on as usual although we all felt tired for a few more days. I'm 67, she is 65 and me eldest Son is 34. My daughter-in-law and youngest Son both had it, we also babysat my 3 year old Grandson 5 days a week which included our Covid time. He never got a sniffle.

None of us have gotten the vaccine, the Hospital mandated all employees had to have the vaccine or would be terminated. The date for compliance was November 30th, She turned in her letter of resignation and her final day was November 28th. She said nearly 2/3rds of their worse Covid patients had been vaccinated, an increase in strokes, blood clots and organ failure along with other conditions reinforced her decision to not get it.

I did have a close friend and neighbor that hadn't been vaccinated and died but he had other complications along with some things that could be considered malpractice or mistakes with his care. A good many of my friends have been jabbed thinking they are doing the "right" thing and a few others were blackmailed with losing their job without submitting.

We feel there is way more to the jab and masking thing than for our wellbeing. Plenty of resources on the Internet for both arguments but you've all heard it before "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help". Read up on what these vaccinations do to your immune systems, people try to be too sanitary which isn't good for their immune systems.

People have made their decisions, hope whatever it is it works out well for you. We'll stick with our natural antibodies and the 13 times more protection than the vaccines based on the Israeli study. Haven't worn a mask yet, I refuse to due to their ineffectiveness but will consider a shield if I wish to visit a friend that may have a compromised immune system.

Take time to inform yourself, over a 99% survival rate if you get Covid but you'll be flipping the coin on the vaccination killing you and you still aren't immune to the virus even after all the jabs. Once you get them there is no "do overs", there is no long term tudies or data as to side affects down the road to help in your decision.

Topstrap

This mirrors my experience including the RN wife but mine made them fire her.

 

[hpshooter]

Butch, glad you and your wife are recovering well. Greatly appreciate you sharing your treatment regime.

 

[tomswede]

So many medical experts, why do we need the worlds most expensive medical industry if we have to “research “ ourselves on the Internet?
Personally I take my medical advice from people that are trained in the field. I’m a mechanical Engineer and too old to change to the medical fields.

 

[drop_point]

Comments

If You’ve Had COVID You’re Likely Protected for Life​

If you’ve had COVID-19, even a mild case, major congratulations to you as you’ve more than likely got long-term immunity, according to a team of researchers from Washington University School of Medicine. In fact, you’re likely to be immune for life, as is the case with recovery from many infectious agents — once you’ve had the disease and recovered, you’re immune, most likely for life.
The evidence is strong and promising, and should be welcome and comforting news to a public that has spent the last year, 2020, in a panic over SARS-CoV-2.
Increasingly evidence is showing that long-lasting immunity exists.

Initial Reports That COVID Immunity Was Fleeting Were Flawed​

Seasonal coronaviruses, some of which cause common colds, yield only short-lived protective immunity, with reinfections occurring six to 12 months after the previous infection. Early data on SARS-CoV-2 also found that antibody titers declined rapidly in the first months after recovery from COVID-19, leading some to speculate that protective immunity against SARS-CoV-2 may also be short-lived.
Senior author of the study, Ali Ellebedy, Ph.D., an associate professor of pathology and immunology at Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis, pointed out that this assumption is flawed, stating in a news release:


The researchers found a biphasic pattern of antibody concentrations against SARS-CoV-2, in which high antibody concentrations were found in the acute immune response that occurred at the time of initial infection.
The antibodies declined in the first months after infection, as should be expected, then leveled off to about 10% to 20% of the maximum concentration detected. In a commentary on the study, Andreas Radbruch and Hyun-Dong Chang of the German Rheumatism Research Centre Berlin explained:

When a new infection occurs, cells called plasmablasts provide antibodies, but when the virus is cleared, longer lasting memory B cells move in to monitor blood for signs of reinfection.
Bone marrow plasma cells (BMPCs) also exist in bones, acting as “persistent and essential sources of protective antibodies.” According to Ellebedy, “A plasma cell is our life history, in terms of the pathogens we’ve been exposed to,” and it’s in these long-lived BMPCs were immunity to SARS-CoV-2 resides.

Long-Term Immunity Likely After COVID-19 Infection​

For the study, blood samples were collected from 77 people who had recovered from COVID-19, about one month after the onset of symptoms; most had experienced mild cases. Additional blood samples were collected three more times at three-month intervals to track antibody production; memory B cells and bone marrow were also collected from some of the participants.
Levels of anti-SARS-CoV-2 spike protein (S) antibodies declined rapidly in the first four months after infection, then slowed over the next seven months. The most exciting part of the research is that, at both seven months and 11 months after infection, most of the participants had BMPCs that secreted antibodies specific for the spike protein encoded by SARS-CoV-2.
The BMPCs were found in amounts similar to those found in people who had been vaccinated against tetanus or diphtheria, which are considered to provide long-lasting immunity.
“Overall, our data provide strong evidence that SARS-CoV-2 infection in humans robustly establishes the two arms of humoral immune memory: long-lived BMPCs and memory B cells,” the researchers noted. This is perhaps the best available evidence of long-lasting immunity, Radbruch and Chang explained, because this immunological memory is a distinct part of the immune system that’s essential to long-term protection, beyond the initial immune response to the virus:

In addition, in 2020 it was reported that people who had recovered from SARS-CoV — a virus that is genetically closely related to SARS-CoV-2 and belongs to the same viral species — maintained significant levels of neutralizing antibodies at least 17 years after initial infection. This also suggests that long-term immunity against SARS-CoV-2 should be expected. Ellebedy even said the protection is likely to continue “indefinitely”:

I can tell you from both practice and personal experience, you do not get long-term protection from naturally-produced antibodies.

I had COVID first in Jan 2020, then again in August 2021.

In practice, I've seen multiple people with repeated COVID infections, many of which were vaccinated. I did even see one patient who had symptomatic COVID three times. That patient was also vaccinated and was hospitalized on the third infection.

 

[drop_point]

I had my booster this afternoon at the local HEB Pharmacy. Phizer.

My wife and I have both had Covid, both Phizer shots, and now the booster.

Just common sense.

I disagree.

 

[tomswede]

I disagree.

So what is the alternative?

 

[drop_point]

So what is the alternative?

I do not believe getting vaccines, boosters, and more boosters and yet more boosters to be 'common sense'. Especially after having already had COVID. The surprising number of hospitalizations I've personally see on the vaccinated does give me strong pause. But the real problem is that one is rolling the dice. A virus with a 99% survival rate isn't too scary for a healthy person.

The number of vaccine reactions I've seen both clinically and in my circle has been astounding. I know five people that developed autoimmune responses; one of which is now on chemotherapy to "restart" his immune system with a possibility of life-long dialysis at this point; they still don't know. I've also seen two people go into anaphylactic shock requiring epi and airways. My spouse chose a vaccine, and she's been struggling with a health issue herself since.

So in my personal and professional opinion, you're as much rolling the dice with a vaccine as you are with a severe COVID reaction. So one choice commonsense? HOGWASH! It should be a personal decision that should not be weighted lightly one way or the other. So what is the best thing to do? Use common sense, eat healthy, get plenty of exercise, and avoid crowds if you're elderly or suffering from a compromised immune system, take extra measures.

 

[tomswede]

I do not believe getting vaccines, boosters, and more boosters and yet more boosters to be 'common sense'. Especially after having already had COVID. The surprising number of hospitalizations I've personally see on the vaccinated does give me strong pause. But the real problem is that one is rolling the dice. A virus with a 99% survival rate isn't too scary for a healthy person.

The number of vaccine reactions I've seen both clinically and in my circle has been astounding. I know five people that developed autoimmune responses; one of which is now on chemotherapy to "restart" his immune system with a possibility of life-long dialysis at this point; they still don't know. I've also seen two people go into anaphylactic shock requiring epi and airways. My spouse chose a vaccine, and she's been struggling with a health issue herself since.

So in my personal and professional opinion, you're as much rolling the dice with a vaccine as you are with a severe COVID reaction. So what is the best thing to do? Use common sense, eat healthy, get plenty of exercise, and avoid crowds if you're elderly or suffering from a compromised immune system, take extra measures.

So I guess you have the overall statistics to make these statements. From your comments you are in the medical business.
Common sense does not beat or compete with actual statistics. 100’s of millions of vaccines have been given. There are always outliers.
I still take the advice from my doctor that I do know went to medical school, I didn’t.

 

[drop_point]

So I guess you have the overall statistics to make these statements. From your comments you are in the medical business.
Common sense does not beat or compete with actual statistics. 100’s of millions of vaccines have been given. There are always outliers.
I still take the advice from my doctor that I do know went to medical school, I didn’t.

It doesn't matter to me who you listen to. I don't really mind. But when one acts as though there is only one option and that is "common sense", I have a problem. I'm tired of people guilt-tripping others' personal decisions.

And you'll find doctors that are vocal about the vaccination not being all its cut-out to be. You'll also find you have medical boards that are threatening doctors not to say anything negative about the vaccination. My own institution will fire you on the spot if you fail to recommend a vaccination to a patient.

The statistics? Well, if you believe everything you're told, I've got a bridge to sell you...

But as screwed up as the statistics are, if you are so deathly afraid of a virus with a >99% survival rate (according to them), go ahead and add to that $17 Billion profit this year.

 

[L.Sherm]

And you'll find doctors that are vocal about the vaccination not being all its cut-out to be. You'll also find you have medical boards that are threatening doctors not to say anything negative about the vaccination. My own institution will fire you on the spot if you fail to recommend a vaccination to a patient.

The statistics? Well, if you believe everything you're told, I've got a bridge to sell you...

But as screwed up as the statistics are, if you are so deathly afraid of a virus with a >99% survival rate (according to them), go ahead and add to that $17 Billion profit this year.

My niece whos a nurse mirrors exactly what she told me you just said.
About time somebody else in the medical field telling the otherside.

 

[tomswede]

And you'll find doctors that are vocal about the vaccination not being all its cut-out to be. You'll also find you have medical boards that are threatening doctors not to say anything negative about the vaccination. My own institution will fire you on the spot if you fail to recommend a vaccination to a patient.

The statistics? Well, if you believe everything you're told, I've got a bridge to sell you...

But as screwed up as the statistics are, if you are so deathly afraid of a virus with a >99% survival rate (according to them), go ahead and add to that $17 Billion profit this year.

Guess we are on our own then, statical numbers are fudged so we better rely on internet mythology. This country never seemed to have an an issue with unfettered pharma profits so why this sudden issue?
Why is the whole world having issues with this virus, including China, it’s nothing to worry about.

 

[drop_point]

Guess we are on our own then, statical numbers are fudged so we better rely on internet mythology. This country never seemed to have an an issue with unfettered pharma profits so why this sudden issue?
Why is the whole world having issues with this virus, including China, it’s nothing to worry about.

I didn't provide internet mythology. I provided experience. Take it or leave it, I don't care what you inject into your body or don't.

On profits, when it is our TAX-DOLLARS that both paid for development and doses; when CUSTOMER'S ARE CAPTIVE and COERCED to being a customer; and when big pharma who is ABSOLVED OF LIABILITY for INJURY from said drug, yes, I have a problem. Yes, I have a problem with much of pharma's past including but not limited to tripling insulin prices a few years back pricing it out of the reach of many diabetics--yes, insulin which is essential to life for type-1 diabetics; a natural hormone with no current development cost. Why did they do it? Because they could. If you had a clue how pharma manipulated the public/government and used people, you wouldn't be so thrilled at them either.

I didn't provide you with any form of mythology. My experience treating COVID has been at the largest hospital in the region in a COVID-specific ICU for 11 months and now in the ER for 11 months. Yes, I've probably treated more COVID than your family care doctor who got all his information from a CDC-issued pamphlet. And yes, I've treated more severe cases than your family doctor has even thought of. Again, I don't care what your family care doctor told you and I don't care about what you inject into your body. But to call it the only "common-sense" option is not only short-sighted, but asinine.

 

[tomswede]

I didn't provide internet mythology. I provided experience. Take it or leave it, I don't care what you inject into your body or don't.

On profits, when it is our TAX-DOLLARS that both paid for development and doses; when CUSTOMER'S ARE CAPTIVE and COERCED to being a customer; and when big pharma who is ABSOLVED OF LIABILITY for INJURY from said drug, yes, I have a problem. Yes, I have a problem with much of pharma's past including but not limited to tripling insulin prices a few years back pricing it out of the reach of many diabetics--yes, insulin which is essential to life for type-1 diabetics; a natural hormone with no current development cost. Why did they do it? Because they could. If you had a clue how pharma manipulated the public/government and used people, you wouldn't be so thrilled at them either.

I didn't provide you with any form of mythology. My experience treating COVID has been at the largest hospital in the region in a COVID-specific ICU for 11 months and now in the ER for 11 months. Yes, I've probably treated more COVID than your family care doctor who got all his information from a CDC-issued pamphlet. And yes, I've treated more severe cases than your family doctor has even thought of. Again, I don't care what your family care doctor told you and I don't care about what you inject into your body. But to call it the only "common-sense" option is not only short-sighted, but asinine.

Fully agree on the pharma industry and their behavior ( apparently not enough people do for our government to do something about it).
There is a whole world out there with basically the same message, are they all on the payroll of the pharma business?
Your experience ( in what role) is still very limited compared with the collective experience of all sources.
My major gripe is with people thinking they came up with some kind of secret treatment that is being hidden from them for some reason.

 

[drop_point]

Fully agree on the pharma industry and their behavior ( apparently not enough people do for our government to do something about it).
There is a whole world out there with basically the same message, are they all on the payroll of the pharma business?
Your experience ( in what role) is still very limited compared with the collective experience of all sources.
My major gripe is with people thinking they came up with some kind of secret treatment that is being hidden from them for some reason.

Nobody has a secret treatment. That’s all BS. But I will tell you, the sources are skewed in this. It’s “fall in line or lose your job”. Beware anytime descent is not allowed.

 

[jackieschmidt]

I do not believe getting vaccines, boosters, and more boosters and yet more boosters to be 'common sense'. Especially after having already had COVID. The surprising number of hospitalizations I've personally see on the vaccinated does give me strong pause. But the real problem is that one is rolling the dice. A virus with a 99% survival rate isn't too scary for a healthy person.

The number of vaccine reactions I've seen both clinically and in my circle has been astounding. I know five people that developed autoimmune responses; one of which is now on chemotherapy to "restart" his immune system with a possibility of life-long dialysis at this point; they still don't know. I've also seen two people go into anaphylactic shock requiring epi and airways. My spouse chose a vaccine, and she's been struggling with a health issue herself since.

So in my personal and professional opinion, you're as much rolling the dice with a vaccine as you are with a severe COVID reaction. So one choice commonsense? HOGWASH! It should be a personal decision that should not be weighted lightly one way or the other. So what is the best thing to do? Use common sense, eat healthy, get plenty of exercise, and avoid crowds if you're elderly or suffering from a compromised immune system, take extra measures.

Due to owning a Machine Shop, and going out into shipyards, I tend to get scratched up a lot.

I take a tetanus booster every three years. Just common sense.

I am very pro vaccine, they are one of mankind’s great discoveries.

 

[Bill Score]

I just thank God that flu season 2020 and 2021 was/has been the lowest on record. Small miracles I guess.