Moving On From Savage Bashing...What's So Great About Remington?

[Joe C]

Personally I don't have any real affinity for Remingtons or Savages, although I have several 700's. I think the Savage is pretty ugly and I hate the trigger. Reminds me of a glock...nuff said there. I think the 700 is so popular because it is easy to work on since it is a straight tube and is popular in the MIL/LEO circles.

I personally prefer the M70 Winchester. I feel it is a stiffer action and the trigger is way simpler than the 700 as it has the lug built into the action. That being said, it is not as easy to chuck up in a lathe to work on. On the flip side, many rifle smiths I've talked with say they are often times straighter and more true than 700's from the start. Of course accessories are not as common for them unfortunately.

All that being said, I spent yesterday building my dad a new .308 hunting rifle on a 1969 Remington 700 action. But I have a 1988 M70 action here that I'm about to build into a switch barrel .308/.260AI hunting gun for myself.

 

[MatthewsCarbineCo]

Old thread but... If Remingtons were so awesome out of the box... Why has accurizing Remingtons kept so many generations of Gunsmiths fed?

 

[Adam in WI]

Old thread but... If Remingtons were so awesome out of the box... Why has accurizing Remingtons kept so many generations of Gunsmiths fed?

Exhuming a seven year old thread with a rhetorical question? You obviously must have some thoughts, so why not just make them known and skip the drama?

 

[davidjoe]

So, you want all the gases going in your eyes if there is a case failure?

How would you reload a right bolt left port in the field with no place to rest the rifle?

Ejecting brass into your face is probably not a good idea either.

Old thread but... If Remingtons were so awesome out of the box... Why has accurizing Remingtons kept so many generations of Gunsmiths fed?

Savage prevents gas blow back two ways that Remington does not. Behind the rotating bolt lugs are stationary lugs that fill the holes the rotating lugs passed through. If you examine a 700 with the bolt closed, you can see the barrel through those raceways.

Secondly the Remington cocking piece shroud is not enclosed, for example as on a Weatherby Mark V. It actually would help direct gas that might escape through the firing pin hole straight back. This is something dads might look at for the kids’ tender years.

On the Savage, there is a solid rear bolt piece that at least directs gas 90 degrees from the shooter’s face.

As an aside, from page 1, while Big and Small cartridges operate at similar psi, there are far more “square inches” of case in a big magnum than a .223. That pressure is equal to the case’s back and sides, yet the receiver, has not gotten any thicker to handle the greater net pressure of big cases, (thinner tenon actually) that’s why .338 LM is controversial in both of these. This is similar to a 30.06 and 50 BMG having identical velocities but different effects on game.

The Remington action’s lugs have been tested to pressure levels only exceeded by the 9 lug Mark V in an old review I saw.

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They are awesome out of the box because because of the price tag on that box. My opinion of why they are machined so often after production is that they are 1) so straight forward and easy to work on, 2) common enough that making required jigs to machine them can pay off. I don’t think they ship worse than other factory actions.

 

[MatthewsCarbineCo]

I happen to think from an engineering perspective and shooting Savage is a better built rifle to start with

 

[MatthewsCarbineCo]

Exhuming a seven year old thread with a rhetorical question? You obviously must have some thoughts, so why not just make them known and skip the drama?

I just wanted to prove to a friend how easily people get their feelings hurt and emotional outbursts proceed to fly

 

[Dusty Stevens]

I just wanted to prove to a friend how easily people get their feelings hurt and emotional outbursts proceed to fly

Its because with the design and the aftermarket support you can make a remington into a hunting rifle, tactical rifle, or a full blown benchrest rifle according to your needs and pocketbook. You cant do that with a savage no matter how much money you have.

 

[MatthewsCarbineCo]

Its because with the design and the aftermarket support you can make a remington into a hunting rifle, tactical rifle, or a full blown benchrest rifle according to your needs and pocketbook. You cant do that with a savage no matter how much money you have.

Kind of like hot rodding a chevy vs a Dodge.... Pure entertainment

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Kind of like hot rodding a chevy vs a Dodge.... Pure entertainment

Its like why most street rod cars have small block chevies in them. You can pull into any autozone in the usa and buy a water pump for it. Try that with a ford or dodge

 

[Adam in WI]

I just wanted to prove to a friend how easily people get their feelings hurt and emotional outbursts proceed to fly

Looks like you're still waiting. I myself am a Model 70 man, for no particular reason other than the warm fuzzy feeling I get when running one.

 

[Gary in MD]

I just wanted to prove to a friend how easily people get their feelings hurt and emotional outbursts proceed to fly

LOL
So you had absolutely nothing better to do with your time....

 

[jelenko]

I just wanted to prove to a friend how easily people get their feelings hurt and emotional outbursts proceed to fly

Surely that's in jest. The way it's written describes a 'troll'.

 

[INTJ]

Looks like you're still waiting. I myself am a Model 70 man, for no particular reason other than the warm fuzzy feeling I get when running one.

Aside from outstanding durability and reliability, there is another advantage of the CRF M-70 many are not aware of. Here is a pic of one I recently chambered. Notice how well the case head is supported in the barrel. Maybe someone has a pic of a case in a Remmy barrel for comparison.



Here is what it looks like with the bolt fully in place.

 

[JTEX]

Savages are tougher to bed well and no one makes a really good trigger for them.....their sear is for shit!

 

[MatthewsCarbineCo]

Savages are tougher to bed well and no one makes a really good trigger for them.....their seat is for shit!

Jewel hit a home run trigger wise with their latest model. Scratch Jewel.. It was Jard.. I am old you will understand someday

 

[Whisky Tahoe Foxtrot]

Jewel hit a home run trigger wise with their latest model.

Please explain. Nothing on their website indicates a Jewell trigger for anything other than Remingtons and a lone M70.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Jewel hit a home run trigger wise with their latest model.

You should get one

 

[D-4297]

Jewel makes parts to modify the Savage trigger group , and I put them in my shootin buddies 12 / 112 Savage .308 . Along with a Bolt Lift kit from forum member Grimstod . That bolt operates as smooth as any I've ever operated . Almost as slick as my Panda .

 

[Whisky Tahoe Foxtrot]

Jewel makes parts to modify the Savage trigger group , and I put them in my shootin buddies 12 / 112 Savage .308 . Along with a Bolt Lift kit from forum member Grimstod . That bolt operates as smooth as any I've ever operated . Almost as slick as my Panda .

Many of us would really like more information on these Jewell parts. I know I needed to take parts of my savage accutrigger to make the rifle basix trigger install complete. Researching Jewell/Savage shows several articles describing a Jewell prototype that made it to beta testers but wasn't taken into production when Savage introduced the accutrigger.

If you have more info please share.

+1 on the bolt lift and firing pin bushing work of @Grimstod.

 

[D-4297]

Look on e-bay under Savage Accu-trigger / parts . My friend got the parts , and I got tasked with taking the trigger group apart and installing the new piece / pieces . Just have to be careful doing the install . Oh ; I did take a stone to the bar to remove burrs , and smooth the surfaces . Old Toolmakers hang-up .