Marketing help/advice - NOTE: READ ENTIRE THREAD B4 POSTING COMMENTS!

[effendude]

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Just a thought. I know of some guys who drew up plans to make an alcohol still back in the late 70's during the fuel crunch. Their idea was to supplement their gasoline with ethanol additive to save money. They may have even encouraged using the alcohol as the primary fuel. Instead of selling the stills, they decided that selling the detailed, professionally drafted plan set was much easier and more profitable. No real inventory, no shipping, no overhead. They advertised in magazines and made a killing, long after the magazine ads ran.

Selling the detailed plans, not the product might be a better way to do this....
Scott

 

[JRS]

Re: Marketing help/advice

Just a thought. I know of some guys who drew up plans to make an alcohol still back in the late 70's during the fuel crunch. Their idea was to supplement their gasoline with ethanol additive to save money. They may have even encouraged using the alcohol as the primary fuel. Instead of selling the stills, they decided that selling the detailed, professionally drafted plan set was much easier and more profitable. No real inventory, no shipping, no overhead. They advertised in magazines and made a killing, long after the magazine ads ran.

Selling the detailed plans, not the product might be a better way to do this....
Scott

You can find detailed loading bench plans free of charge just about anywhere And, after working on this for 15 years, the OP has yet to post a picture of this loading bench :

 

[JBO]

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You're absolutely right Scott!

How about these GEEKS:

Steve Jobs & Steve Wozniak, Bill Hewlett & Dave Packard, Walt Disney, Paul Allen & Bill Gates.
All started in a garage 8)

Hey, you forgot Al Gore, he invented the internet!

 

[JBO]

Re: Marketing help/advice

;D

 

[Ggmac]

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I'm sorry , but for $150-$175 your product is not worth it . Many benches exist for $75 -$100 . Costco , Lowes , Home Depot , etc .
Reloading takes alot of force both up and down , I dont see your design lasting long without additional bracing . Sorry

 

[sonofagun231]

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All your objections have been anticipated and addressed in the design long ago - you underestimate (and don't understand) the strength of the bench's construction - I have been designing and building benches and furniture for several decades plus have an engineering background.

 

[sonofagun231]

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@JRS - I pm'd you. You have to understand the constraints designing something packageable (and shippable) as a kit restricts one to. My design stacks up well against all the others out there*.

The shelf unit is strong enough and uses a standard adjustable shelf mounting system. The strength is in the bench itself.

Sorry, but it takes a lot of experience and knowledge of kit furniture design to understand it - so far you're all shooting blanks. Anyone have anything good to say? ;D

*Funny how many are selling what is obviously a woodworkers bench and trying to say it's a reloading bench. I have been a reloader and a woodworker so know the difference.

 

[sonofagun231]

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What you are offering, and manufacturing, is a one man show. I don't understand why you need an investor. A sliding miter saw and a couple of jigs for pre drilling your holes is the brunt of your equipment.

Again, you don't know me - I have another business; demand for the product which i cannot keep up with now plus having other concerns which take up my time. Sorry for offering an investment opportunity ???

 

[Raythemanroe]

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Not to sound condescending, But would you be entirely money ahead just selling plans to something that simple? Maybe promote this for space saving RV reloading benches. Except if I was to build a reloading bench I would opt for something larger.. I'm not being hard, I'm just throwing out there what any invester may be thinking.


Ray

 

[butchlambert]

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son o gun,
What have I told you before? You say you have no money and can't borrow. How do you keep your other business a float? You really have nothing to sell. Go back and refine your tile BR targets and see if you can sell them.

 

[JBO]

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" Sorry, but it takes a lot of experience and knowledge of kit furniture design to understand it - so far you're all shooting blanks. Anyone have anything good to say?" ;D

Not surprising, I think you answered your own question, "NO" ! There's 5 pages about your Mensa designed loading table and your still the smartest guy in the room.

 

[sonofagun231]

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" Sorry, but it takes a lot of experience and knowledge of kit furniture design to understand it - so far you're all shooting blanks. Anyone have anything good to say?" ;D

Not surprising, I think you answered your own question, "NO" ! There's 5 pages about your Mensa designed loading table and your still the smartest guy in the room.

I have seen and used the bench - all of you have not, yet are condemning it without actual seeing or using one (or apparently understanding its construction). So smart guy, show me something better that's available.

 

[Ggmac]

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Im not the smart guy , but check our Amazon , potting table ( 1 I have 2 of and they work great , I bought mine at Home Depot $100 ) or look under woodworking bench , again I have 2 in the shop ,bought at Wal Mart $90 .
They also have plans to build your own at $6 .
Most of my friends are of old school , meaning we were brought up taught how to build things . Wood shop , metal shop etc .

 

[jonbearman]

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Can we see the under side to see what you are referring too?

 

[Pres100]

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I wish you the best of luck in your business venture, but as a consumer, I can only offer my honest first impression (as seen in your picture). I truly mean no disrespect - just honesty.

Your materials appear to be 4x4 legs, two 1x12 boards that also appear marginally joined (if joined at all) along with a few other boards for shelves and some pegboard. I can't see the top providing enough strength for any lasting amount of time and the bolts that protrude on the top would be a complete nuisance and would prevent anything laying flat without damaging it.

I can't see how the legs are joined, but assume the bolts going through the top are part of security - and I would think countersinking a head that big into a 1" top would severely weaken it. I can only picture how sturdy it is and to me it looks like it would wobble severely after a while. The shelves seem a little shallow for my liking as well.

I'm just not seeing the quality and value at that price and cannot see anything that amounts to "engineering". Are the shelves just sitting on brackets like a bolt together cabinet shelf?

Again, I really don't mean any disrespect, but that is what I see. I would love to see more of what we are NOT seeing.

Best of luck

 

[LHSmith]

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^^^^^I agree. A half-wide shelf, half way down or near the bottom would take place of bracing. The top needs to be supported by 2x3 or 2x4 rails (on edge) under the perimeter to prevent sagging and offer rigidity. The top must be fully joined boards with no crevices. I believe 3/4" underlayment board with a 1/4" hardboard top would be better than softwood boards.

 

[sonofagun231]

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Im not the smart guy , but check our Amazon , potting table ( 1 I have 2 of and they work great , I bought mine at Home Depot $100 ) or look under woodworking bench , again I have 2 in the shop ,bought at Wal Mart $90 .
They also have plans to build your own at $6 .
Most of my friends are of old school , meaning we were brought up taught how to build things . Wood shop , metal shop etc .

Pssst - it's a POTTING bench - that's all that it's good for (marginally) - it's not even remotely designed or suitable for reloading operations, or as someone else says here "you can't possibly be serious...". And here's a kicker - guess where it's made???

OK, show me what you or your friends (or anyone here) can come up with for a sturdy, well designed reloading and general purpose workbench - easy to manufacture, reasonably priced, and packageable as a KIT w/shipping weight under 70 lbs. Build one (or post detailed drawings) and show me/us what you got.

 

[sonofagun231]

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Here's picture

You can't possibly be serious about this.

Right, I'm just jerking all your chains

Man, you guys are SO smart!

 

[butchlambert]

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Reverting back to you ways on the other forum. Say the words and call me the names you used on the other forum.

 

[sonofagun231]

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Reverting back to you ways on the other forum. Say the words and call me the names you used on the other forum.

Post a link - I'd love to get to the bottom of your problem once and for all.

I was just about to post this:

Love to see what you guys think of this idea from a local entrepreneur I've met:

www.gunbed.net