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[billmo]

Bill,
We often have hundreds of new posts every day. I do not have the time to view more than a handful of the posts on a daily basis. Unless somebody brings a bad post to my attention, chances are I don't even know it exists.

You may think I've been targeting CatShooter. The reality is I've tried extra hard NOT to delete what he's written because occasionally he does produce a gem.

We have some 5400 members in the Forum. The reality is that there are only 3 or 4 regular posters who have created ongoing problems in the past year, and whose posts have generated multiple complaints. Catshooter was one of them.

From a safety stand point it is still unfair to allow those rediculous post to remain on the site. Complaints has nothing to do with the integrity of the post, SIR. Bill

Bill, perhaps I'm not doing a good job communicating. If there are other bad posts, I WILL delete them, but I have to know they exist first. It is impossible for me to read every post in every thread. I only have time to read a fraction of what is on the board. Somebody has to lead me to the offending post first. Then I can,and will) take action.

Just yesterday Catshooter said there was a bad exchange of posts on a I had never seen before. On his suggestion, I found the thread, found the posts, and decided to delete the thread in its entirety. That's how it often works.

If there's stuff you think needs deletion just let me know where.

As drawn out and heated as that discussion was, I cannot see how you missed it.

Maybe you did see it and delete it. I don't know how to go about finding it unless you go to all post by me and find it that way.
That facts do remain: Catshooter's post are no more abusive and ugly towards anybody than the thread concerning headspace and freebore from just a couple of days ago that you let continue several days within the group that it is very evident that you converse with daily almost,name calling, bickering, and backbiting and the likes thereof) You, SIR, did show partiality in that respect and you cannot convince me to the contrary. It's your web-site. You run it the way you see fit, but you handled that WRONG. BIll

 

[Forum Boss]

That facts do remain: Catshooter's post are no more abusive and ugly towards anybody than the thread concerning headspace and freebore from just a couple of days ago that you let continue several days within the group that it is very evident that you converse with daily almost,name calling, bickering, and backbiting and the likes thereof).

You, SIR, did show partiality in that respect and you cannot convince me to the contrary. It's your web-site. You run it the way you see fit, but you handled that WRONG. BIll

Bill, if that was the thread Catshooter pointed out to me, despite the fact it had been running for a few days, I had never seen the thread before and nobody had alerted me to that issue until Catshooter did so. When I saw some of the posts, I deleted the thread immediately.

There are currently 12,153 threads on this board. Sometimes over 100 new threads are created daily. Hard as it may be to believe, I miss "busy" or active threads all the time.

To put things in perspective regarding Catshooter, he has some 880 posts. In the last 6 months I can recall deleting no more than a handful of his entries specifically, and I've deleted no more than a dozen,non-spam) threads this year over all, most of which had nothing to do with Catshooter.

The bottom line here is that he is really annoyed that I deleted a couple of his posts, then locked a thread in which one of his technical opinions was refuted by a half-dozen other posters, including the current President of the IBS.

Catshooter has many, many great insights to offer this board, as he has demonstrated again and again. But it is also quite apparent from his posts that he believes he is THE expert on all subjects, when it fact, that isn't always true.

Getting back to the issue of singling out Catshooter,or any other poster for that matter), the truth is that I've bent over backwards to tolerate his stuff. And yes, Bill, you are 100% right that sometimes bad stuff from other guys slips through. I wish that wasn't true, but it happens. But when someone points out the problem, I take action. Ask Lynn D--in recent weeks I've deleted a dozen of his posts, compared to a couple of Catshooter's.

 

[FroggyOne2]

I have time to read every post on this site, each and every day!

 

[cliffe]

i think the moderators do a good job here keeping the arguing to a minimum or delete it when it gets nasty. they are doing a first class job at keeping this site full of information for shooters. Catshooter sure adds alot to this site. he has a way of putting his point of view out there and making alot of sense. he also disputes stuff that he disagrees with and makes other things easier to understand. i hope he comes back..... don't let getting A post deleted make you leave. this site will be less without the Catshooter. cliffe

 

[billmo]

Moderator, What makes the six other posters and the IBS President so right? Are they not capable of being wrong? It is still a matter of opinion. Frankly, I don't think Catshooter was saying drench the brass. I think he was saying to apply a residue to the surface of the brass which could do no more harm than leaving a residue of oil or brass lube on the brass or in the chamber. I think we all do that at one time or another. I read his post and I saw nothing else in it that would or could cause any harm to anybody. Please enlighten me as to what was so dangerous and inconsistant about his post. Bill

MODERATOR: Different post/different deletion. Now we're talking about the firing pin thread. The six posters including Jim Borden, challenged Catshooter's view that firing pin penetration into the primer cup was controlled by firing pin protrusion. Catshooter stated his viewpoint, then attacked others for being "wrong." He was then hammered with a uniformity of opinion stating that Catshooter was incorrect.

Instead of "manning up" and saying "OK, you guys are right, I haven't been looking at this correctly" Catshooter launched into a long off-topic discusion about progressive springs, with the object of showing that another Forum member was stupid. That post was deleted because it contributed nothing to the discussion and contained Catshooter's signature insinuations and put-downs.

 

[billmo]

I have time to read every post on this site, each and every day!

I try to make time to read all new post as well, Froggy. Bill

 

[billmo]

Thank you Bill. So, now we have an authority saying it is ok to leave a residue on the brass????? What about Moderator? Bill

 

[Forum Boss]

The original issue that prompted Catshooters recommendation to fire lubed cases was a poster that had problems with primers not going off in his chamber while fire-forming an improved case. The benefits Catshooter claimed from case lubing would have occured AFTER the primer fired.

The actual issue in that situation were cases that did not have a proper crush fit on the neck shoulder junction while fire-forming so the whole case was being pushed forward by the primer strike. Hence, no bang.

The reason Catshooter's post in that case was deleted was that:

A) It did NOT address the problem at issue,primer not igniting) and I was advised by numerous authorities that his suggestion would likely make that situation WORSE, not better; B) Given the fact that his suggestion did NOT address the basic problem, I did not want novice readers to assume that lubing cases was somehow a band-aid solution for headspace issues or cases that had no crush fit in an improved chamber.

Yes there are some shooters, such as Gene Beggs, who believe case lube assists fire-forming, at least when making 6PPC cases from 220 Russian. However, I know of no objective tests showing that the cases turn out any better, last longer, or produce better accuracy.

The point here is when you have SAMMI, every ammo-maker, every powder-maker, every action-maker, and every rifle-maker,not to mention every army in the world) recommending, as a general rule that you shoot non-lubed ammo in a clean, dry chamber, I think it is irresponsible to print posts that advocate shooting lubed cases, absent some clear convincing evidence that it is both a superior procedure and that it has no effect on safety.

Catshooter believes enhanced bolt thrust due to case lubrication is a myth. I'll just say that action-makers and brass-makers do NOT agree.

Put this all in the context, of the original issue--primers not firing because of excess headspace and inadequate "crush fit"--and is why that post was removed. His advice would not solve the problem and it contravened basic safe shooting practices.

Catshooter claims I've deleted 70% of his technical posts, but all he can come up with specifically is this case lube thread over a year ago and one post a few days ago.

I remember very specifically the deletions he's complained about because, contrary to his claim, VERY FEW of his technical posts have been deleted at all. We're not talking hundreds, not even dozens. And in each case, I made a determination to delete only AFTER checking technical issues with others. This was not done arbitrarily, and my bias is always to leave the post intact if possible.

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Often the issue arises because of the MANNER in which Catshooter's "advice" is presented.

He could have written something to the effect of:

"In this case,of problem ignition), the problem will probably not be solved until the case is headspaced properly with a crush fit to hold the case in place. With that accomplished, one technique I have used, that seems to help when blowing a shoulder forward, is to apply some lubricant to the case. I am aware that this runs contrary to general safety practices regarding lubed cases, and the general view is that case lubrication can cause bolt thrust issues. Nonetheless, in one of my rifles, with moderate loads, I was able to use case lubricant with no apparent adverse results, and, in my opinion, I think that lubed cases may have fire-formed better than "dry" brass. But this procedure is not commonly recommended and you proceed at your own risk."

Phrased that way, the comment might be appropriate. But that's NOT what Catshooter wrote... not even close.

I am NOT in the business of correcting individual posts and rewriting them word for word with appropriate cautions.

Catshooter did NOT address the crush fit issue, and he did NOT acknowledge or explain the general consenses AGAINST lubed cases, nor did he acknowledge or explain the generally-held view that there may be safety risks.

He basically says "this is what I did. Therefore it is correct. Do it because I say so and ignore what anyone else says."

 

[benjamin]

some of the same folks that know all are on the sabieur site also but they won't tell you when you ask a ? but you can bid for a moderator job i heard.

 

[Badlands]

Mr. Catshooter seems to be very knowledgeable and I have found some

of his threads very interesting. However, his arrogance and insulting of

others that disagree with him leads me to believe him to be an insecure

person that has some self doubts. I could accept his writing more if he

didn't sound so much like Al Gore preaching Global Warming and

wanting to make it against the law to question his sermon.

 

[sjk]

The moderators do an exquisite job of filtration over such a wide field as this. Yes there's latitude involved but discretion is the key word and it's done superbly. Firing in a "wet" chamber covers ANYTHING but being perfectly dry and it defies all the physical laws no matter how slight the oily condition is. This is not the belief of merely the people who post and reload but also of the professional who deals with stresses, elasticity and explosive forming ad nauseum. Many a chamber on a #29 has blown out mainly because there was some sizing lube that was not removed from the loaded round. Even though the finish of the chamber be a V4, the round will grip the walls if THEY ARE DRY. Parker Ackley once said that every man has his own comfort level of performance. It takes a wise man to stay within his parameters. I he strays out of his comfort zone he may be asking for a bag of snakes. This may not be the case, but it's a great thing to remember
John

 

[dreever]

I know both "Paul's" and like both of them. Paul C. AKA Cat Shooter, Pablito etc. does know quite a bit, and has shared a lot on this as well as other sites. I still refer back to his dissertation on adjusting Remington 700 triggers that he posted on Sniper Country years ago. I do get a kick out of his wit sometimes........there's only one Pablito.
He's an old war horse who spent his time in the jungle doing his bit in a war that wasn't a war, and most will never know what or where I'm talking about. "Lito" knows, and I salute him for it. He's another guy, one of the unsung hero's that the fourth of July is all about!

Paul McM AKA our moderator and founder of this site has done one hell of a job in making this the best shooting related site on the web! On that score I will accept no argument. Where else do you find the in depth test, guns of the week, daily bulletin, blogs, video's, color pictures and well written text? This takes a monumental amount of time and effort on his part to make and keep this site what it is, and get paid far less than most of us would even consider working for. Long, long hours making this site the best on the web. Anybody else want the job???????
What it comes down to guys is it's his site, his baby, and he's done the best job that he can in making decisions, and that includes the decisions to remove posts. It's not up to me to say if he's right or wrong in doing this, all I can say is I appreciate what he does, and is doing, and I must support him for it.

Cat Shooter won't leave, it takes a lot more than this to cut through that tough old hide. In fact this may help to tone things down and make him a kinder, gentler, Cat Shooter who will Purr more than screech and scratch.,Yeah right!)


Danny