Jan 2023 NRA Highpower RuleBook

[Ringostar]

Interesting find.
Different organizations and rulesets can have different spirits.
Even the ICFRA TR rules don't have that statement.

All that means is IF compatibility with ICFRA is a major goal THEN the NRA rules spirit should be modified, at least for f-class.

ICFRA F class rule 1.11

 

[kzin]

ICFRA F class rule 1.11

Yeah, I found it.
ICFRA has separate documents for TR and F-Class
The TR document does not have 'encourage innovation' as 1.11 or anywhere else.
Just proof that one 'spirit' doesn't even carry over to another rulebook within ICFRA much less to NRA rules.

 

[kzin]

Unfortunately, too late for some thinking about joining in my experience, and too late for many who might read this thread. We are our worst enemy, all while complaining about others.
Used to be we could all agree that shooting is fun. Seems like over the last few years that has changed like so many other things in the universe. (only my way is fun and if you don't agree, well F)($ off)
This forum is still one of the best available, but is no better than the facebook forums that have dominated it. Less stupidity on processes and practicalities, but same arrogance and indifference to the community.
I will likely have some very nice hardware up for sale in the near future. My gold membership will be expiring soon and I will not be renewing it. If you still choose to deal with me so be it, but I am done supporting the politics and arrogance on this forum.

Politics?
Like people disagreeing and trying to get their own way?
The only alternative to that I can think of is if everybody would just accept that I'm right and do what I say.

 

[Warren Dean]

 

[lawman29]

The Time Lord has spoken...

 

[Ringostar]

Yeah, I found it.
ICFRA has separate documents for TR and F-Class
The TR document does not have 'encourage innovation' as 1.11 or anywhere else.
Just proof that one 'spirit' doesn't even carry over to another rulebook within ICFRA much less to NRA rules.

In international competitions TR isn’t F class, it’s what they refer to as Palma rifles from my understanding.

 

[Rset]

Politics?
Like people disagreeing and trying to get their own way?
The only alternative to that I can think of is if everybody would just accept that I'm right and do what I say.

Not people disagreeing, that has been going on for decades and will will never end. Politics in the way that only one idea matters and there is no tollerance for a differing opinion. Many of the above responses and opinions in this thread are from people who don't even have skin in the game.
All who shoot traditional sports of the past will continue to have less competition due to people migrating to different and new disciplines. If we continue to chase people away from the tradiitional shooting sports you enjoy will a competition victory even have value?

 

[memilanuk]

In international competitions TR isn’t F class, it’s what they refer to as Palma rifles from my understanding.

It's only called 'Palma' in the USA, as that only refers to one fairly specific match / format.

If you look at the ICFRA page for Rules and Match Conditions, there are rules for 'TR' and there are rules for F-class.

 

[Steve Jennings]

You know what, just tell me what range you are the match director at, so I can be sure not to shoot there.

Happy to abide by the guidelines that Aaron Farmer sent Keith Glasscock Remove the rollers, felt is fine, and everything below the bag is fine. You can have at it with anybody else.

So ..... can I make a stock fore end that has the rollers in it?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

So ..... can I make a stock fore end that has the rollers in it?

I thought of the same thing! Lol!

 

[sdean]

About time for the dead horse.

 

[Ned Ludd]

So ..... can I make a stock fore end that has the rollers in it?

I thought of the same thing! Lol!

You'd think by now the Rules Committee would be far-sighted enough to see something like this coming LOL. I anticipate the 2026 NRA Highpower Rules will be re-written [yet again] to read exactly as follows:

3.4 F-Class Rifle

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-0) - A rifle restricted to a bore diameter no larger than .35 caliber. (Attention is directed to safety fan limitations of various ranges. Individual ranges may further restrict ammunition). “Rail guns” and positive mechanical methods of returning to the precise point of aim for the prior shot are not permitted. This includes any kind of rollers whatsoever, on any piece of equipment whatsoever, in any location whatsoever, you a**holes. Any safe, manually operated trigger is permitted. Any sighting system is permitted, but it must be included in the rifle’s overall weight.

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) - A rifle limited to .223 Remington or .308 Winchester or their commercial and/or metrification equivalents. Chamber dimensions must not exceed the maximum SAAMI or CIP specifications. Bore, groove, and throat dimensions may be selected to suit bullets used. There is no restriction on bullet weight. The rifle must be fired off a bipod, rigidly attached to the rifle’s fore-end, and/or a sling. Any bipod, meeting the definition of a bipod, may be used but its weight must be included in the rifle’s overall weight. A bipod has never been, nor will it ever be, defined as having rollers, you a**holes. Also, the stock can't have rollers, either, so don't be an a**hole. Any safe, manually operated trigger is permitted. Any sighting system is permitted, but it must be included in the rifle’s overall weight.

3.4.1 Rifle Rests -

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-O)
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(9) F-Open Front Rest Bags - The fore-end of the rifle must rest upon and/or be guided by the front bag(s) described elsewhere in this section. The rifle may not be supported or guided during recoil by rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical device, nor may any rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical devices be placed anywhere else on the rifle for that purpose, you a**holes.

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR)
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(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate for the uneven surface of the firing point. A bipod doesn't have any rollers anywhere, you a**holes.
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(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support to compensate for variations in height or slope of the firing point, except wheels you a**holes.
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What do you think? Will this work, or would further clarification be needed?

 

[dcali]

You'd think by now the Rules Committee would be far-sighted enough to see something like this coming LOL. I anticipate the 2026 NRA Highpower Rules will be re-written [yet again] to read exactly as follows:

3.4 F-Class Rifle

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-0) - A rifle restricted to a bore diameter no larger than .35 caliber. (Attention is directed to safety fan limitations of various ranges. Individual ranges may further restrict ammunition). “Rail guns” and positive mechanical methods of returning to the precise point of aim for the prior shot are not permitted. This includes any kind of rollers whatsoever, on any piece of equipment whatsoever, in any location whatsoever, you a**holes. Any safe, manually operated trigger is permitted. Any sighting system is permitted, but it must be included in the rifle’s overall weight.

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) - A rifle limited to .223 Remington or .308 Winchester or their commercial and/or metrification equivalents. Chamber dimensions must not exceed the maximum SAAMI or CIP specifications. Bore, groove, and throat dimensions may be selected to suit bullets used. There is no restriction on bullet weight. The rifle must be fired off a bipod, rigidly attached to the rifle’s fore-end, and/or a sling. Any bipod, meeting the definition of a bipod, may be used but its weight must be included in the rifle’s overall weight. A bipod has never been, nor will it ever be, defined as having rollers, you a**holes. Also, the stock can't have rollers, either, so don't be an a**hole. Any safe, manually operated trigger is permitted. Any sighting system is permitted, but it must be included in the rifle’s overall weight.

3.4.1 Rifle Rests -

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-O)
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
(9) F-Open Front Rest Bags - The fore-end of the rifle must rest upon and/or be guided by the front bag(s) described elsewhere in this section. The rifle may not be supported or guided during recoil by rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical device, nor may any rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical devices be placed anywhere else on the rifle for that purpose, you a**holes.

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR)
.
.
(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate for the uneven surface of the firing point. A bipod doesn't have any rollers anywhere, you a**holes.
.
(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support to compensate for variations in height or slope of the firing point, except wheels you a**holes.
.

What do you think? Will this work, or would further clarification be needed?

That's actually more clear.

 

[Steve Jennings]

You'd think by now the Rules Committee would be far-sighted enough to see something like this coming LOL. I anticipate the 2026 NRA Highpower Rules will be re-written [yet again] to read exactly as follows:

3.4 F-Class Rifle

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-0) - A rifle restricted to a bore diameter no larger than .35 caliber. (Attention is directed to safety fan limitations of various ranges. Individual ranges may further restrict ammunition). “Rail guns” and positive mechanical methods of returning to the precise point of aim for the prior shot are not permitted. This includes any kind of rollers whatsoever, on any piece of equipment whatsoever, in any location whatsoever, you a**holes. Any safe, manually operated trigger is permitted. Any sighting system is permitted, but it must be included in the rifle’s overall weight.

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) - A rifle limited to .223 Remington or .308 Winchester or their commercial and/or metrification equivalents. Chamber dimensions must not exceed the maximum SAAMI or CIP specifications. Bore, groove, and throat dimensions may be selected to suit bullets used. There is no restriction on bullet weight. The rifle must be fired off a bipod, rigidly attached to the rifle’s fore-end, and/or a sling. Any bipod, meeting the definition of a bipod, may be used but its weight must be included in the rifle’s overall weight. A bipod has never been, nor will it ever be, defined as having rollers, you a**holes. Also, the stock can't have rollers, either, so don't be an a**hole. Any safe, manually operated trigger is permitted. Any sighting system is permitted, but it must be included in the rifle’s overall weight.

3.4.1 Rifle Rests -

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-O)
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
(9) F-Open Front Rest Bags - The fore-end of the rifle must rest upon and/or be guided by the front bag(s) described elsewhere in this section. The rifle may not be supported or guided during recoil by rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical device, nor may any rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical devices be placed anywhere else on the rifle for that purpose, you a**holes.

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR)
.
.
(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate for the uneven surface of the firing point. A bipod doesn't have any rollers anywhere, you a**holes.
.
(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support to compensate for variations in height or slope of the firing point, except wheels you a**holes.
.

What do you think? Will this work, or would further clarification be needed?

Thank you Ned Ludd. I think you just reinvigorated my interest in F-O.

 

[Dos XX]

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(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support to compensate for variations in height or slope of the firing point, except wheels you a**holes.
.

What do you think? Will this work, or would further clarification be needed?

Except carpet, you assholes! Don't use carpet. Don't even think about carpet with rollers on it. You should know better.

 

[sfinn1]

You'd think by now the Rules Committee would be far-sighted enough to see something like this coming LOL. I anticipate the 2026 NRA Highpower Rules will be re-written [yet again] to read exactly as follows:

3.4 F-Class Rifle

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-0) - A rifle restricted to a bore diameter no larger than .35 caliber. (Attention is directed to safety fan limitations of various ranges. Individual ranges may further restrict ammunition). “Rail guns” and positive mechanical methods of returning to the precise point of aim for the prior shot are not permitted. This includes any kind of rollers whatsoever, on any piece of equipment whatsoever, in any location whatsoever, you a**holes. Any safe, manually operated trigger is permitted. Any sighting system is permitted, but it must be included in the rifle’s overall weight.

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR) - A rifle limited to .223 Remington or .308 Winchester or their commercial and/or metrification equivalents. Chamber dimensions must not exceed the maximum SAAMI or CIP specifications. Bore, groove, and throat dimensions may be selected to suit bullets used. There is no restriction on bullet weight. The rifle must be fired off a bipod, rigidly attached to the rifle’s fore-end, and/or a sling. Any bipod, meeting the definition of a bipod, may be used but its weight must be included in the rifle’s overall weight. A bipod has never been, nor will it ever be, defined as having rollers, you a**holes. Also, the stock can't have rollers, either, so don't be an a**hole. Any safe, manually operated trigger is permitted. Any sighting system is permitted, but it must be included in the rifle’s overall weight.

3.4.1 Rifle Rests -

(a) F-Class Open Rifle (F-O)
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
(9) F-Open Front Rest Bags - The fore-end of the rifle must rest upon and/or be guided by the front bag(s) described elsewhere in this section. The rifle may not be supported or guided during recoil by rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical device, nor may any rollers, wheels, or any other mechanical devices be placed anywhere else on the rifle for that purpose, you a**holes.

(b) F-Class Target Rifle (F-TR)
.
.
(3) A bipod is a device with no more than two legs that touch the firing point. It must be rigidly attached to the forend of the rifle. The bipod may have rigid or folding legs, and may be adjustable to compensate for the uneven surface of the firing point. A bipod doesn't have any rollers anywhere, you a**holes.
.
(5) Any number or type of objects may be placed beneath the bipod or rear support to compensate for variations in height or slope of the firing point, except wheels you a**holes.
.

What do you think? Will this work, or would further clarification be needed?

"The Queens rules by Ned"

 

[hockeyref]

Ned that works for me, but then i ran F-TR with a .223 and a nice rigid Sinclaire bipod last year (no rollers but i do wonder how they would work on carpet in place of the feet )and this year i’m dropping it back into a prone stock and shooting prone/sling/palma.

 

[Steve Jennings]

Um, not sure "except wheels you a**holes" fully covers off on the F-TR "butt adjuster". But, maybe I'm being too anal about it.

How about wheels on a bipod?

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

The bullet leaves the bbl before recoil has moved the gun by roughly 1/16th of an inch...fwiw and certainly not an exact number but close and hopefully, you get the point.

 

[Medic505]

Maybe go back to muzzle loaders and lock that in?

Must be flintlock. No caps allowed.