How to fix this 700 extraction/ejection

[AccelR8]

I'm not real familiar with the 700. Most of my experience is with AR's.

My own Remington 700 in 223Rem. Since new it has never been able to eject fired cases. It will eject loaded rounds no problem. When the bolt is cycled with a fired case, the extractor will pull the case out of the chamber no problem, and the case will stay with the bolt, rim under the extractor, right up until the case mouth clears the barrel tenon and pops into the bolt raceway. Then, the case head will disengage from the extractor and the case is left lying on top of the magazine. Every single time.

Is there a fix for this that's known? On another board some guy was saying the extractors are bad, all of them, for years, and even a new one is probably going to be problematic. Is it worth it to try a new one, or will I likely be wasting 30 bucks (incl. shipping)?

How about a Sako style extractor? Will this mod maybe fix the issue? Any problems associated with this...it looks like to me the Sako extractor will change the angle of ejection. Will I have the ejected cases bouncing off my windage turret and back into the action like on my 788?

I'd like to get this thing sorted out over the winter.

 

[Riesel]

Sounds to me like your ejector is not working properly. Weak or maybe plunger getting stuck?

 

[AccelR8]

The ejector seems OK to me. It moves in and out freely, spring seems to have plenty of power, end of plunger is flush with the bolt face rim. Does this sound OK?

It will launch a loaded round out of the port with authority.

 

[338 dude]

I'm not real familiar with the 700. Most of my experience is with AR's.

My own Remington 700 in 223Rem. Since new it has never been able to eject fired cases. It will eject loaded rounds no problem. When the bolt is cycled with a fired case, the extractor will pull the case out of the chamber no problem, and the case will stay with the bolt, rim under the extractor, right up until the case mouth clears the barrel tenon and pops into the bolt raceway. Then, the case head will disengage from the extractor and the case is left lying on top of the magazine. Every single time.

Is there a fix for this that's known? On another board some guy was saying the extractors are bad, all of them, for years, and even a new one is probably going to be problematic. Is it worth it to try a new one, or will I likely be wasting 30 bucks (incl. shipping)?

How about a Sako style extractor? Will this mod maybe fix the issue? Any problems associated with this...it looks like to me the Sako extractor will change the angle of ejection. Will I have the ejected cases bouncing off my windage turret and back into the action like on my 788?

I'd like to get this thing sorted out over the winter.

It sounds like it is extracting but it is not ejecting

 

[gme]

so there's a number of things going on in a 700 that need to be in balance in order to eject properly, ejector spring tension, ejector plunger height, the clearance between the extractor and the boltface, extractor spring tension (in the case of a Sako or M16 conversion) and the diametrical clearance of the case head in the boltface recess, any one of these areas that are sufficiently out of spec can cause ejection problems, if you're not familiar with tracking down which (or a combination of which) are the culprits it might be a good idea to send the rifle to someone who is.

 

[paperpuncher]

As mentioned in the post above there are any # of things that can cause problems. I would remove the extractor clean the bolt face and the recess for the extractor and install a NEW extractor. I have had this issue in my xp and a new extractor remedied the problem. It will only cost you 15-20 bucks to find out if this is the culprit

 

[davidjoe]

The ejector seems OK to me. It moves in and out freely, spring seems to have plenty of power, end of plunger is flush with the bolt face rim. Does this sound OK?

It will launch a loaded round out of the port with authority.

Many of my rifles eject a loaded round better than an empty round because the bullet leans on the chamber’s wall and keeps the plunger from running out of travel until the “right time”. On the other hand empty shells - where the neck is small relative to the case body, when drawn back seem to let the plunger fully extend while the neck just bounces off of the next wider ring of steel while the bolt is pulled back.

A short travel plunger has a simple limit on the angle it still exerts pressure, and likely relies on a narrow window of speed/momentum in bolt pull back, where the case neck won’t hit a rear ring of metal and bounce back in.

 

[AccelR8]

A short travel plunger has a simple limit on the angle it still exerts pressure, and likely relies on a narrow window of speed/momentum in bolt pull back, where the case neck won’t hit a rear ring of metal and bounce back in.

I've found that if I pull the bolt back absolutely as fast as I can it will eject maybe about 5 or 10 percent of the time. Further investigation reveals that certain cases will never, ever eject no matter what and others will eject sometimes with very high bolt speed. Looking at those cases which will never eject, they're all 1.750" or shorter. The ones that will occasionally eject, they're all 1.760" or maybe even a little longer.

 

[AccelR8]

As an aside, I was just thinking about the Savage extractor and thought I had a real crazy idea, is it possible to use a Savage bolt head on a Remington bolt body. Turns out this has been done for quite some time now.

 

[Walt Krafft]

The ejector is pushing the case off the extractor too soon. As GME said there are a number of things that can come into play. First thing I would try is taking 1-2 coils off the ejector spring. Second would be to shorten the ejector. Final change if needed is a Sako or M16 extractor.

 

[Nick Caprinolo]

Has this been happening since new or is this a development after a lot of use. If this has suddenly started to happen, I would disassemble the bold and make sure everything is clean and in good mechanical order. Altering the spring on a rifle that suddenly starts not ejecting does not make sense.

Best method is to take it to a competent gunsmith and have them check.

 

[Walt Schmidlin]

I had a similar issue with a 40X, it was a broken riveted extractor(obviously an older model). Sent to GreTan who replaced it, problem solved.
If the extractor was the newer version would have attempted to change it myself.

 

[Dusty Stevens]

Send the bolt to carlsbad and get a sako extractor put in

 

[Sandstorm]

What Dusty said..Jerry will fix you up.

 

[chuckshooter]

Factory Remington extractors can be very finicky,and they are easily damaged and then do not work properly. the simplest and cheapest thing to try is just put a new extractor in. If you're not sure that you can do it , it's a simple job for a gunsmith. But before you replace it., look for dirt or brass shavings behind it. Once the extractor has been removed replace it . Thet never go back in and work right. As a high volume varmint shooter, I carry several spares on my shoots. Last time I bought some, they were $12. Cheap insurance.

 

[kendog]

New OEM extractor and clean the crud from its recess in the bolt nose. 90+% of the time it is the extractor bent out of shape, the hook rounded/worn/broken, or crap in the bolt restricting its designed movement. It could also be not nestled in its proper orientation in the nose. Simple stuff first.

 

[AccelR8]

Where to buy a Remington extractor? Every place I've looked is out of stock and given the current situation with Remington I wouldn't expect them back in stock anytime soon. Only place I've found them is Gun Parts Corp. I would think they are selling new ones but on the other hand most things I've ordered fro them has come used.

 

[Dgd6mm]

Send the bolt to carlsbad and get a sako extractor put in

^^^^^^^^^ this...

 

[chuckshooter]

Where to buy a Remington extractor? Every place I've looked is out of stock and given the current situation with Remington I wouldn't expect them back in stock anytime soon. Only place I've found them is Gun Parts Corp. I would think they are selling new ones but on the other hand most things I've ordered fro them has come used.

did you try Pacific tool and gauge? The last ones I brought, were directly from Remington. now their website doesn't show a parts department anymore.

 

[AccelR8]

did you try Pacific tool and gauge? The last ones I brought, were directly from Remington. now their website doesn't show a parts department anymore.

Thanks for that. PTG does show them but doesn't tell the stock status, I'm going to order one and see what happens. I guess I will order a new ejector and spring too for good measure.