Great winning barrels or is it great Bullets?

[Tim Singleton]

Possibly if the ballistics of the bullet were better from one lot to another. IMO "much better" needs to be quantified.
I can't buy into lot x for any given shooter reducing their agg all else being the same...i.e. if all shooters on the line would have a smaller agg for a given lot# than another lot# - takes it too far away from correctly tuning the combination of components and equipment.
Maybe I am just a sceptic but if Tom or Donavan or yourself shouted out - go buy lot x as they will just shoot better, I would watch peoples results with interest but I wouldn't jump as I believe it is the component combination combined with the skill of the reloader that makes it work. Skill relates to not just the assembly of the components but the decisions made during the load dev process.
I do buy into technologies such as cut vs button barrels being better as there is sound logic in that tolerances can be held tighter etc.

The top guys are real good at looking at results on paper and making informed choices to have a very well tuned rifle, yes bullet selection is very much a part of that process.

Which is it - its the combination of the whole, this is why not everyone that shoots lotx bullets turns up to the line and says - hey I have a hummer.

Why do you think a nosler or Hornady bullet with the same or better BC than a Berger or a custom made bullet aren't on match lists
There's more to a good bullet than its BC

 

[savagedasher]

I don't care what kind of bullets you shoot if the barrel won't shoot . Same with a gun it can shoot only as good as the shooter .
I think it is combination of ever thing .
Larry

 

[dkhunt14]

Im beginning to think when we think we've got a good lot of jackets
We actually just have the punch matched up the best to that jacket

Spencer made the best 105 grain bullet. When he got the jackets in, he measured them. If they weren't to his specs he sent them back. Mark and his buddies made bullets. They were all hard to beat. As soon as they ran out of the thin jackets they all shot consistently bigger. The bullets no longer measured as good. I believe at long range the consistent jacket makes more of a difference. That bullet has to stay stable to 1000 yards. Matt

 

[6BRinNZ]

Why do you think a nosler or Hornady bullet with the same or better BC than a Berger or a custom made bullet aren't on match lists
There's more to a good bullet than its BC

This is agreed - but wasn't what I was replying to. IMO it is universally agreed that some bullet manufacturers make more consistent bullets than others, and custom bullets would be at the top of that consistency bench mark. The consistency relates to not just the dimensions of the assembled bullet but the components used, each component that makes a bullet has a set of tolerances, the wider the tolerance within any component would naturally suggest a wider variance within any given lot, not just in bullet dimension but the way it behaves in its journey down the barrel.
Typically hand reloading steps are about reducing variations, therefore tighter tolerances in component manufacturer support the fundamental purpose of hand reloading.
But the whole (barrel etc) has to work together.

 

[mikegaiz]

 

[Cool Tool]

View attachment 1002145

Well if you have a very good barrel an killer bullet an know how to run them you will be competitive on game day an mike you are going to make that horse shit all over you if you dont quit beating on him.

 

[madderg]

Some times what people see as a bad barrel or barrel/bullet combo COULD be loose threads at the chamber. Think about it this way, if, during the explosion of the case and pressure spike as the bullet enters the rifling the chamber end is moved 1/2 of 1000 ths of an inch. There are 3600 inches in 100 yards. flier? Bad barrel? Bad bullet? maybe, but maybe not.

 

[Immike]

Some times what people see as a bad barrel or barrel/bullet combo COULD be loose threads at the chamber. Think about it this way, if, during the explosion of the case and pressure spike as the bullet enters the rifling the chamber end is moved 1/2 of 1000 ths of an inch. There are 3600 inches in 100 yards. flier? Bad barrel? Bad bullet? maybe, but maybe not.

I just went through a hair puller year and found my pillars loose in the bedding.

 

[madderg]

I just went through a hair puller year and found my pillars loose in the bedding.

Well, that sucks...how were they bedded?

 

[Immike]

Well, that sucks...how were they bedded?

Good old Acraglass from nearly 10 yrs ago. Lol. Went from 29" hv taper bench weight to 1.25 straight 32" for Fclass and they gave up on me. All new pillars and steel bed now. That still doesn't make me immune but I feel much better now and went back to tapered barrels. Dang thing would shoot well then throw out crazy Ivan's here and there.

 

[dkhunt14]

Some times what people see as a bad barrel or barrel/bullet combo COULD be loose threads at the chamber. Think about it this way, if, during the explosion of the case and pressure spike as the bullet enters the rifling the chamber end is moved 1/2 of 1000 ths of an inch. There are 3600 inches in 100 yards. flier? Bad barrel? Bad bullet? maybe, but maybe not.

I think a lot of times the bad barrel has stress in it. They just seem to walk. Matt

 

[johara1]

I think this is spot on, it's got to be stress or lack of that separates the great from the good. You can look, slug, measure all you want. You still have to get off the couch and go shoot it to know for sure.

Tom

Good point Tom, so why do people tighten the barrels like track bolts on a D11? Induced stress?..... or are they covering there buns for liability ?..... jim

 

[dkhunt14]

Good point Tom, so why do people tighten the barrels like track bolts on a D11? Induced stress?..... or are they covering there buns for liability ?..... jim

Maybe they are really trying tensioned tenon. LOL Matt

 

[seymour fish]

Tuttle
I same new guy developing loads for his Rifle using an over the counter Bullet like the a max or some other Bullet will never learn what he's doing right or wrong.

All I'm saying is as guys building rifles to the standards they read about being used by winners.
They don't seem to talk about bullets as much as maybe they should

Tim, In my experience with 162 Amax out of a pencil bbl sako, you are Way Wrong. 100 ladder, take center of node to 1K, and shoot minute of cow-turd. Maybe just a good lot? Seymour

 

[Tim Singleton]

Tim, In my experience with 162 Amax out of a pencil bbl sako, you are Way Wrong. 100 ladder, take center of node to 1K, and shoot minute of cow-turd. Maybe just a good lot? Seymour

Minute of cow turd is a good accuracy goal !

 

[seymour fish]

Minute of cow turd is a good accuracy goal !

The typical 10" cow-turd, 1 Moa at 1K, given a light ole hunting rifle, and grossly inferior bullets, is a standard I challenge you to meet. Seymour

 

[tuttlefarm]

The typical 10" cow-turd, 1 Moa at 1K, given a light ole hunting rifle, and grossly inferior bullets, is a standard I challenge you to meet. Seymour

Is that a 3, 5 or 10 shot group.

 

[Tim Singleton]

l don't shoot 1000 yd just 100-200. For me the Amax won't get it done.
I'm glad it works for you

Post us a pic of your 1000 yd group

 

[Ned Ludd]

Is that a 3, 5 or 10 shot group.

Not necessarily a group...Matthew Quigley would hit it repeatedly with his Sharps, sending it further down the road with each shot. So not technically a group because the distance was different for each shot .

 

[seymour fish]

Not necessarily a group...Matthew Quigley would hit it repeatedly with his Sharps, sending it further down the road with each shot. So not technically a group because the distance was different for each shot .

Correct,Sir. OSOT