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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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About 25 years ago I went back to grad school - environmental science. The global warming lie was in it's infancy, so they hadn't deleted the facts yet. When the carbon (C02) thing came up I asked a question: How much carbon is sequestered every year in the trash we bury in dumps and in the things we use every day? That question was never and has never been answered. But it shouldn't be hard to estimate.
Youngster! :) I remember all the hoopla over global cooling/warming in the 60's (1960's not my 60's).

I hate to say it since I'm part of it but I think it was the baby boomer generation that started it all. Their parents wanted to give them everything and they ended up with way too much time on their hands. Throw in some mind altering substances and you have an abundance of half baked theories for this and that. Had they been forced to actually work for survival I believe things today would be different.

Sad thing is the boomers then tried to give their kids everything and we now have generations of spoiled brats dreaming up garbage like this climate change. Hey greenies! The climate has been changing ever since this rock was put here. It will do what it's going to do and you can't change it any more than you can stop a volcano! It's not cow farts or fossil fuel or even wood burning fireplaces. It's the nature of the beast and nature is a Mother!
 
Mercedes recently drove their EQXX for 1,000km from Germany over the Swiss alps to France on a single charge. There's a lot more to come in this space. Get used to it.
 
Mercedes recently drove their EQXX for 1,000km from Germany over the Swiss alps to France on a single charge. There's a lot more to come in this space. Get used to it.
Either that's one hell of a lot of electrons stored in a monster battery or the Germans have invented a perpetual energy machine.
 
Are they going to be able to be recharged in 6 minutes?
Lucid Air, since 2007 and American owned, based in who woulda thought it, but give em a brake for what they have to offer. ((k and up, with great specs. top end over 450 miles on a charge, and 1100 HP with 0-60 times in 2.5 seconds, in a luxury touring sedan.

Or other models that offer over 600 HP over 500 miles a charge, with 20 minute charge for 300 miles available. 800 miles a day with one 20 minuet fuel stop is not bad.

Not in the market as I said, I doubt I ever own electric,,,, but with performance like this, some day could be enticing. I learned decades ago, to never say never???
 
Are they going to be able to be recharged in 6 minutes?
Who cares? it's not like you have to stand and wait for it to fill up (like you do now). It will charge while you're sleeping (home or hotel), sitting on the dunny, shopping or parked at work.
 
Most charging stations I’ve seen. Sheetz’s gas station Cabela Dr Tridelphia WV
 

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One thing about gassing up your ride, you're standing next to it while you fill it.
With an EV ? You plug it in (if you're on the road away from home), walk away and hope it's still there when you come back. 10 to 15 minute charge? I could deal with that.
Over night away from home? I don't think so!!
 
Not to be a dick (again) but all the arguments seem to hinge on only owning
1 car. I never hear how do you take a corvette hunting, or how do you tow a 5th wheel
with a motorcycle . If you are on a road trip, take your other car
 
One thing about gassing up your ride, you're standing next to it while you fill it.
With an EV ? You plug it in (if you're on the road away from home), walk away and hope it's still there when you come back. 10 to 15 minute charge? I could deal with that.
Over night away from home? I don't think so!!
Never left your car in a parking garage or parked on the street or lot while shopping or working? EV charging stations (some free) already exist in my local malls and car parks. In Europe you can charge your car in a kerb parking spot and gas stations are already adding fast charging stations. Hotels have charging stations. 20 minute fast charging already exists. Currently I drive and enjoy a gasoline car. However, I fully expect that within the next decade to be driving an electric car or truck. Hell, most manufacturers will have stopped making gasoline cars within the next 10-15 years.
 
Never left your car in a parking garage or parked on the street or lot while shopping or working? EV charging stations (some free) already exist in my local malls and car parks. In Europe you can charge your car in a kerb parking spot and gas stations are already adding fast charging stations. Hotels have charging stations. 20 minute fast charging already exists. Currently I drive and enjoy a gasoline car. However, I fully expect that within the next decade to be driving an electric car or truck. Hell, most manufacturers will have stopped making gasoline cars within the next 10-15 years.
Go down to sonny’s bbq in florida city and check out the tesla charging extravaganza back behind there. They built about a 40acre parking lot with dual superchargers between parking spaces in 2016 or so. In 2017 they were scaling it back but i dont know how far they went. The construction guys there said they were taking every one of them out due to no use but sonnys said they were leaving them. Sonnys had a free universal charger on the wall as well but it was kinda hidden.
 
Not to be a dick (again) but all the arguments seem to hinge on only owning
1 car. I never hear how do you take a corvette hunting, or how do you tow a 5th wheel
with a motorcycle . If you are on a road trip, take your other car
Not in Washington state after 2030. You'll need to tow your second car with the first, dump the first and keep going with that second EV. May even need a third ev for long trips.
 

Other than a political regime change, there is nothing new under the sun. Just little incremental improvements in battery technology. It takes a very long time to move the technology forward without doing more damage than we already do. It takes on the order of 30 years or more to implement real paradigm shifts in topics like power and transportation.

I was forced into many automotive and transportation projects when GM took over Hughes Aircraft. They got their victory with the GM Sunraycer in the solar powered race across OZ, and touted this to get environmental brownie points.

Like many things we hear about from automotive corporations and governments, this was just another useless publicity stunt that didn't benefit mankind, save the planet, or change transportation. Wall Street, Madison Ave, and Detroit all patted themselves on the back and applauded each other.

We then gave them the electric drive technology that lead to the EV1 and then the EV2, which they later killed off themselves. That didn't save the planet or revolutionize transportation either, even if it did lead to what we have now. If you start the clock when some of us took the hard look at batteries, motors, and the grid in the light of CAFE Regulations and Policy Goals to get off of petroleum, it was more than 35 years ago. That math hasn't changed, but we sure nailed the predictions in terms of the growth in energy demand. Instead, we laid off physicists at the National labs and stopped clean power plants from being built. Anyone remember what got Grey Davis recalled in California??? Blackouts ring a bell?

https://www.hughesscgheritage.com/sunraycer-the-gm-solar-powered-car/

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https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/10/we-should-thank-the-gm-ev1-and-its-death-for-tesla/

http://www.ev1.org/

When unethical politicians and corporations get into the mix, the planet and humanity looses.
Batteries store energy, they don't create it. Transportation legislation is not going to make a dent in saving the planet from Greenhouse Gases by forcing the citizens into EV cars, it is actually doing the opposite in terms of causing alternate types of environmental damage as well as threatening to create a depression.

https://afdc.energy.gov/files/pdfs/argonne_phev_evaluation_report.pdf
https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy13osti/55638.pdf

You don't have to be very good at math, economics, or science to see that the 50 year horizon is the plug in hybrid (PHEV) and not the all electric. Notice that GM pulled the Volt off the market without a PHEV replacement?
I know some that want to ignore the real state of the grid and power generation and think that is okay since they will make the Bolt, but just wait till summer when everyone plugs in.
We need short range cars that can charge on the 110/220V grid we have for now, not Rivians and Teslas that will break us. Or, rather than try to force us all, try going with Last Mile Delivery Trucks in small urban study areas with 440V3PH, but where the grid is less apt to fail for starters, preferably near a nuke station. Try giving them to the Post Office for a few years and see how it affects the local grid economy.

If Gov wants to save the world, they need to make the creation of electricity, the grid, and Hydrogen a "Manhattan Project" level of commitment and stop bayonetting us into EVs, and energy prices that are meant to cause "The Great Reset". Without that grid and generating stations to make electric power, we can't bridge to Hydrogen.

We need the National Labs focused on energy physics, distribution, and storage, not on Teslas or Rivians. If we try and force the grid before it is ready, and if we try to replace all the ICE with electric too soon, we will do more damage than folks want to know. YMMV.
 
And of course all these charging stations will be no problem for our electrical grid in this country. The Power Companies at the behest of big daddy Fed Government are no doubt furiously upgrading the grid to handle the expected load. Which BTW is projected to double the present load.

Just like they have been for the past 80 years....................

On a side note, I frequent a foot doctor and credit union in a small strip mall on the north side of my town. For the 4 years I've been going to I've experienced jamming issues with the keyless remote of my 2016 Ford Explorer. I often have to place the remote right on the driver's window to get it to unlock the car. And keep it on the console in order to start the car. But the best is as I leave the parking lot via the south exist, I hit a dead spot where I get the "No Key Detected" warning from the car. That dead spot is the closest to the high tension power lines on the steel towers. Worn/cracked insulators will arc and that arcing becomes radio interference that can mess with anything local. By law the power company is not allowed to interfere. So yeah! They're right on top of that grid upgrade.
 
As I've said before battery technology has advanced considerably in recent years. And there's a lot of ideas out there that are showing promise of even more advancement in the not too distant future. Some designs being tested suggest doubling the current range of EV's with batteries that weigh less and are physically smaller than current ones.

But one big problems is the United States does NOT have an abundance of the raw materials needed for these things. And will need to rely on countries some would describe as our enemies for the materials. While with oil and natural gas we can be energy independent for decades were we to elect a government with some stones. And that would give us time to develop batteries dependent on resources we have.

Of course it's all going to need power to produce and right now there's not a battery capable of that job. IOW we will continue to burn coal, oil and gas to turn on the lights.
 
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