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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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bsekf said:
If we continue down this road, we will not curb pollution and will double the cost of energy.
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SS,DD. You expected less? One man/Woman, one EV, home charging cable and you can do YOUR OWN THING. Cost?
Like rolling your own ammo. You don't care how much per round it costs. :oops:
You load more and you shoot more. That's just the way it is.
The rest of the world is screwing up the air we breath but WE in the U.S.of A. are the bad guys?? What's wrong with this picture? :rolleyes:
And if it wasn't for each of us doing our own thing, life sure would be boring.
And some of us do "our thing" just because. Remember, if you dig deep enough, most things have already been done, just not by you or me.

A bit OT but, got into shooting the 6.8 SPC on a Savage bolt action because most info I had read was geared to the AR platform and I felt the need to see for myself?
Built it, shot it and it turned out to be killer accurate. (read bug hole maker) ;) Then on top of that, the wheels were still turning so, got to thinking, if the 30 BR is such a hot item, why not a 6.8 BR? Had a reamer cut from my dummy round (necked a 6 BR up to 6.8) and shipped it off to PT&G. Come to find out it was a "first" for them in that caliber) picked up a .270 barrel blank and had My Man chamber a barrel for me. So, if I had never been curious about the BR round, (turned out to be another bug hole maker) no one would have ever known. Somebody probably already did it but I did it myself and found out what "I wanted to know". Sure beats sitting on bar stool with nothing to show for my time but a lighter wallet and hangover. DO IT! BUILD IT and enjoy what you're doing. Remember, you're only going around one time (unless you're Shirley MacLane) so make the best of it. :D :D
 
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JayHHI6818 said:
As Ron White says: “You can’t fix stupid!”
You buy and EV without knowing where your going to charge it!
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So you go EV, can't charge your EV where you live so, you go down the street to a charging station, plug it in and wait OR, leave it charging and go back home and HOPE it's still there when you come back??? I DON'T THINK SO!!
 
You don't have electricity at your house? If that's the case, yeah, you shouldn't go EV. But then you're likely missing out on a lot of other modern products and services.
 
I'm just guessing he means he doesn't have power of the kind it takes to charge without waiting forever...

Many residential areas don't carry much power in general, and apartments and condos are among the ones that may not have any outlets in the parking areas at all.

They laughed at me when I moved to SoCal and asked for 440V3PH. Told me they had rules against it within residential zones here due to the concepts that folks would "cheat and do commercial work"..... I just wanted a normal mill and lathe without using a converter. I had machines at work so I skipped it.

They are going to eventually need to quit the concept of banning higher voltage power in residential zones if the concept of getting more folks to accept BEVs as a way of life is important to them. Not to mention, keeping up with permitting power plants at a rate faster then banning hydrocarbon. After all, BEVs store and use energy, they don't make it.

Some of the houses around here have 220V1PH for electric dryers and such, but the idea of the battery packs getting even larger for range and waiting for that to happen on 115V or 220V1PH isn't exactly something to look forward to is it....
 
It’s a pretty good idea to find out what level of charger your power will support. There is a bit of a difference in charge times.

Note that the charge times listed at in hours.


Nothing says economy like owning an electric Kia and a low budget charger, plugged into the subsidized apartment complex, needing 4 days to charge.

I wonder if Trabant will make comeback with an electric car?
 
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dellet said:
It’s a pretty good idea to find out what level of charger your power will support. There is a bit of a difference in charge times.

Note that the charge times listed at in hours.

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Yup, how does 71.5 hours on a Level 1 charger for that 100kWh pack sound when I can go from here to there and back on a tank of fuel I can pump in less than 5 mins? How does it sound when you learn that 100kWh pack is still too small?
 
RegionRat said:
Yup, how does 71.5 hours on a Level 1 charger for that 100kWh pack sound when I can go from here to there and back on a tank of fuel I can pump in less than 5 mins? How does it sound when you learn that 100kWh pack is still too small?
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I'm thinking that a lot east European immigrants might see the parallels of "being able to own" a Trabant, as similar to being able to own a government supplied EV.
 
RegionRat said:
I'm just guessing he means he doesn't have power of the kind it takes to charge without waiting forever...

Many residential areas don't carry much power in general, and apartments and condos are among the ones that may not have any outlets in the parking areas at all.
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Example. Tesla wall charger. Cost $400 plus installation. (Don't know about you but if I'm buying a new vehicle I'm sure I will have the $400 for the garage charging unit.) 240V circuit. (No dryer or oven?) Charge up to 44 miles per hour charging depending on vehicle model. That's 280 miles of charge while you're sleeping. Add in a bit more for the time it takes to make a coffee and brush your teeth in the morning. And that's today's tech.

Apartments and condos are fitting chargers to attract tenants/buyers. (Along with office buildings, mall parking lots etc etc.)

Going to a gas station is such a waste of time... :) (It's not hard to envisage a time, in the not so distant future, when a "gas" station will be a bank of superchargers with a couple of gasoline pumps out back for the oldies.)

I see the Ford F150 Lightning is shipping now... And the Rivian R1T is very cool also - such acceleration!
 
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Example. Tesla wall charger. Cost $400 plus installation. (Don't know about you but if I'm buying a new vehicle I'm sure I will have the $400 for the garage charging unit.) 240V circuit. (No dryer or oven?) Charge up to 44 miles per hour charging depending on vehicle model. That's 280 miles of charge while you're sleeping. Add in a bit more for the time it takes to make a coffee and brush your teeth in the morning. And that's today's tech.

Apartments and condos are fitting chargers to attract tenants/buyers. (Along with office buildings, mall parking lots etc etc.)

Going to a gas station is such a waste of time... :) (It's not hard to envisage a time, in the not so distant future, when a "gas" station will be a bank of superchargers with a couple of gasoline pumps out back for the oldies.)

I see the Ford F150 Lightning is shipping now... And the Rivian R1T is very cool also - such acceleration!
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Not to rain on the parade of the 0-60 times of the Rivian, but the slowest pick-up I ever saw would get from my house to where I play several hours or days before the Rivian ever shows up.

Yes, the Rivian fans are all now fawning over the Rivian 0-60 times, but they would be better served by studying the range and trip charge times when in hot/cold weather and going for a drive that takes a part of a day or more.

On the F-150 Lightning, have you wondered why there is an option for the console to fold out into a table and the seat to lay all the way back? It is because you are going to have to eat and sleep there while waiting for your turn at a Level 3 charge station, so that you can then wait while it charges....

You see, once you get west of the Mississippi River, the distance between places really gets long. Even along the interstate highways. It is 320 miles from my house to Mammoth Lakes, and I can cover that without a gas stop in my truck, while pulling the bike or ski trailer in roughly 5.5 hours.

When I drive 950 miles from my house to Craig, CO several times a year, I cover that in about 15 hours with three stops for rest and fuel, but could do that in less except that it is not good to skip food and bathroom breaks at my age. There is a stretch of I-70 from Green River, UT to Salina, UT that has no stops for over 110 miles on that route.

Sorry if I am not enthused about what those trips would be like in a BEV, but I'm really not looking forward to it....
 
Dr. Jay Lehr and Tom Harris wrote of the proposed all-EV future:

In order to match the 2,000 cars that a typical filling station can service in a busy 12 hours, an EV charging station would require 600 50-watt chargers at an estimated cost of $24 million and a supply of 30 megawatts of power from the grid. That is enough to power 20,000 homes. No one likely thinks about the fact that it often take 30 minutes to 8 hours to recharge a vehicle between empty or just topping off. What are the drivers doing during that time?

ICSC-Canada board member New Zealand-based consulting engineer Bryan Leyland describes why installing electric car charging stations in a city is impractical:

“If you’ve got cars coming into a petrol station, they would stay for an average of five minutes. If you’ve got cars coming into an electric charging station, they would be at least 30 minutes, possibly an hour, but let’s say its 30 minutes. So that’s six times the surface area to park the cars while they’re being charged. So, multiply every petrol station in a city by six. Where are you going to find the place to put them?”

The United Kingdom is already starting to plan for power shortages caused by the charging of thousands of EVs. Starting in June 2022, the government will restrict the time of day you can charge your EV battery. To do this, they will employ smart meters that are programmed to automatically switch off EV charging in peak times to avoid potential blackouts.

In particular, the latest UK chargers will be pre-set to not function during 9-hours of peak loads, from 8 am to 11 am (3-hours), and 4 pm to 10 pm (6-hours). Unbelievably, the UK technology decides when and if an EV can be charged, and even allows EV batteries to be drained into the UK grid if required. Imagine charging your car all night only to discover in the morning that your battery is flat since the state took the power back. Better keep your gas-powered car as a reliable and immediately available backup! While EV charging will be an attractive source of revenue generation for the government, American citizens will be up in arms.
 
If enuffa you schlubs would buy onna them @&#$! EV's , gas prices would drop fer the rest of us.

We'll pick ya up (we promise) when U got a dead battery cuz there's few charging stations anywhere, and the few that do exist CHARGE YOU to use them. :) No, Virginia....there is no electricity Santa Claus. ;)


jus kiddin' ...'cept fer the part where I want ya'll to buy EV's so gas prices can drop. ;)
 
Just curious, anybody have any idea of the longevity of an EV? I still drive a 03 Ram with the Cummins engine. 534,000 plus miles on the original engine and still putting 1,000 miles a week on her. Will an EV produce anywhere near these results?
 
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