Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

[kountryboy2]

Makes sense? They’re going to refund him $8,000?
Nothing makes sense starting with the concept.
If I were Jackie I’d be back to the dealer asking what they did and how are they going to correct it?
Check the resale value. Talk about a loss.
To me $8,000 is a lot of money.

I was talking about,Jackie's use of a EV. I never once mentioned price
I was replying to his last sentence.

 

[M-61]

I was talking about,Jackie's use of a EV. I never once mentioned price
I was replying to his last sentence.

You were talking about Jackie. He said $8,000.
You responded to him. I responded to you.
Think there’s a link?

 

[Nature Boy]

 

[D Coots]

About time.

GM Pulls Funding from Floundering Electric Vehicle Efforts in $10 Billion Bid to Appease Investors

It is yet more evidence that Americans simply aren't interested in EVs despite the enthusiastic boosterism of left-wing government officials.

www.westernjournal.com

 

[Turpentine]

Is this statement the result of an extensive research project?
Assuming what is fine for anyone much less "most people" is ridiculous.

Agreed 100%. Owning a car for six months or even a year and giving a review is pretty laughable. Let me know how much you like it after 8-10 years. or at least 5. After you've changed out the fuel cells. After you've dealt with corrosion and degradation of components. After you've been stuck on the road waiting for a vehicle to charge Or searching for somewhere to charge it. An electric vehicle won't even get me to a job site and back home without charging. Much less do the work required once I get there. It might get me to my Dr.s office if I don't take any detours. There's a reason golf courses and folks in general are moving away from electric golf carts and going back to gas. Less maintenance. Less component degradation. No charging in the middle of an event. No corroded cables to replace. Electric cars are just more of the same. Batteries are better than they used to be but they still have an expiration date and they still have to be charged.

 

[D Coots]

Well bless their cotton pickin little hearts....

Instead of shoving them down my throat, they can stick them....


https://www.348-409.com/forum/threads/evs.50776/post-645221

 

[urbanrifleman]

1. If, like me, you keep a car for 15+ years, you should research battery life for the choice of vehicle.

2. Look at the cost of battery pack replacement and repair after the warranty expires.

3. Check how to enter car if the battery goes completely dead -- this has been an issue with Teslas.

4. Seriously consider how and when you would use the auto-drive feature. This depends on sensors that can fail or be blocked by rain, road debris etc. There was an incident in my state. Tesla driver was using the auto-drive feature. It failed and drove him at full speed into a concrete lane barrier and he was killed instantly.

5. Understand that true range is significantly less with cold weather and with hills.

6. Look at the resale value AFTER the cars go off warranty. You might be surprised.

7. Toyota is coming out with EVs with solid state batteries. Promised date is "late 2025". That could significantly affect the value of Teslas.

8. I have friends with Toyota Prius hybrids. These Prius cars have proved exceptionally reliable, and one has over 350,000 miles on the original battery pack, and the owner says she averages about 48 mpg.

This is actually a very comprehensive post. Every point that I was going to bring up was pretty much covered in this post. If you want to buy a Tesla, just wait a few more years they're going to be on the market really cheap because the battery packs are going to cost $30,000.

 

[urbanrifleman]

My fiance's brother has a Tesla and they were stranded on a trip from Texas to Oklahoma for nearly an entire day. Once the battery got low enough it went into limp mode and once they did find a charger it wasn't a fast charger. The infrastructure simply does not exist for electric cars.

 

[SD guy]

I have owned a volt and have family with multiple Tesla’s.

we like them. I sold the volt because it was uncomfortable (seats) but it was economical and reliable.

what do you want to know?

What is your winter climate like? Do you notice a lag in winter battery performance?

 

[urbanrifleman]

My fiance is an insurance adjustment agent for a major insurance company. If you buy a Tesla make sure you don't wreck it. And by wreck it I mean let it touch anything that might even dent a fender.

 

[AlNyhus]

I drove a Rivian R1T a couple weeks ago...an absolute ball to drive. To own one, that's another thing.

 

[Brians356]

But most people can do just fine with an electric vehicle.

How many other passenger vehicles (cars, pickups, SUVs) do you own?
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[Dgd6mm]

FJB,FJK!!!

 

[Brians356]

Look around you. Anyone you know or see that owns a plug-in EV (BEV) already has one or more likely two (or more) other passenger vehicles (not counting bikes or ATVs). Anyone buying an EV has plenty of disposable income, and will never be forced to rely on the EV when the chips are down. They make great suburban commuters, grocery getters or Home Depot haulers while being a blast to stoplight drag race. But no one will stake their mobility on one. Show me a household with nothing but battery-powered vehicles.

As for repairs and reliability, did you know you can lease an EV? I know a gal in CA who just leased a Mini Cooper EV for about $300 per month. Her employer provides free chargers. With gas over $5 there, she's saving $200 on her monthly commute and her net cost to own and operate the EV is about $100 per month. Any future repairs are someone else's problem. And, there's no way she's selling her old ICE Mustang!
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[wedgy]

Seems that some of the rental companies are dropping EV's as the resale value isn't there;

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

 

[rwj]

Seems that some of the rental companies are dropping EV's as the resale value isn't there;

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

Resale value is a significant factor that fleet managers watch closely! Individuals who recently became EV owners will likely be similarly impacted. It has kept me from seriously considering buying one.

 

[Flouncer]

After maintaining a fleet of electric golf carts I wouldn't own another one and I sure as heck would not even consider an electric car. On paper they make look ok to some but when you figure charging, maintenance, battery replacement, and limited milage they are a no go. They certainly are not the answer to our energy crisis, perceived or real, and may actually contribute more to the crisis considering that electricity costs are going up and many grids can't handle what is already on the system.

Are those golf carts manufactured by a world class ISO multi national corporation ? Do they use Lith-Ion batteries or lead acid ? Are they a relevant comparison to a Tesla ?

 

[Kalitrazescapee]

Another thought...what is going to be the response from your insurance company? Not just driving but homeowners for charging a Chinese fire trap? I won't buy one and if you gave it to me I'd shove it over the bank away from any structure.

 

[M-61]

“So far this year, there have been 108 lithium-ion battery fires in New York City, which have injured 66 people and killed 13, up from 98 fires that had injured 40 and killed two at this time last year.Jul 14,2023”

 

[mauser284]

You know in college 1994 to 1998 I drove a 1986 4Runner. Every time I was forced out of the dorms I had to drive from Michigan to Hinesville Ga. It took me 12 hours driving straight through. I had a Gulf Gas Card I stoped 3 times for gas to make the trip. Took me 5-15 minutes for gas stops including fuel, bathroom, eating and sometimes a shower.

I could not make that trip in any electric car or truck. I sometimes had to tow a trailer and again 90 miles of towing anything more than Jet Ski and your dead in the water.

I have to drive about 1.5 hours to get to a Tesla SuperCharger!

No one waranties a battery in a Hybrid or All Electric for more than 8 years and they start at $20K+ for all electric batteries like lithium and even Nickle Metal Hydride Toyota Prius batteries for hybrid which are cheap by comparison are not cheap!

We need Nuclear Power, a powe grid that is 1000X as beefy as it is currently, with infrastructure changes 10,000X what it is now or more before Electric is practical. That is not even counting how toxic it is or the insane carbon footprint curently. That is before you consider that each electric car fantasticly enriches China which is the bigest threat to the USA in spite of what the FBI, DHS and POTUS Biden might tell the American public.


Get a nice non-turbo, non-super charged, non-compound charged normaly aspirated I4, V6 or V8 while you can. As long as the oil pump is not varible pressure, varriable volume, electric pump inspite of what anyone tells you about VVTI needing thin oil run Mobil-1 0W40 and change the oil every 6 months no matter if you drive 1 mile in 6 months or 20K miles in 6 months! Change the transmission fluid and any transfercase and differential fluids after 10K miles with synthetics and then change every 2 year or 24K miles if you want it to last forever or every 50K miles if you just want it to last longer than you will ever want it to last! Professionaly in auto industry since 1988 in Aviation Industry since 1998. Best ATF Redline, Best MTL and Gear Lube Redline.

I would recomend a non-hybrid non-turbo Toyota or Lexus as my first choice. A Turbo Toyota or Lexus as second choice. If you want to look like money but cant afford to buy as long as you will stay under Milage limits lease a BMW or Daimler.