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Electric Cars -- anyone own one?

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SGK said:
I love my supercharged V8 rocket SUV. It sounds f*ckin fabulous when the exhaust valves open up. But acceleration in a 'proper' EV is stunning. Can you stomp it all day long without a charge? Dunno. But 15 minute full recharging is becoming more available. (Every gas station in the country worth its salt will have high-speed charging within the next decade.) I will be tempted within the next few years I'm sure. Sub 2.5s 0-60 is a LOT of fun.
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While I do agree that it is not the destination but the journey that is important. EV's are fun but they are also a very short journey today. If 15 minutes to full charge becomes a reality, that may change the picture. The only thing that I demand is that the electrons be generated at the point of dispense. That eliminates the transmission loss (which is significant) as well as the problem of taking a dump in someone else back yard. If everyone thinks that electrons are cheap and clean then they should have no problem with them being produced in their own back yard. Or better yet, at the point of dispense.

I fully support diesel, gas, propane or coal fired EV charging stations.
 
muleman69 said:
Been reading up on these and not sure what to believe ? I would rather hear it from an owner. Two sides to every story
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I love my EV (Leaf plus) as a second car in retirement. I love my F150 too for what it can do. However, for local driving through town (3 trips per week – total 75 miles) to rifle range and home. Trips to local restaurants/gunsmith/rifle matches/sight seeing out to about a 250 mile radius from home are more fun (and a lot cheaper) than driving the F150. The Leaf is A LOT faster in town maneuvering through traffic than any vehicle I have owned (big, small, high HP). The low end torque of an EV is addictive.

The Leaf plus is old technology…..that is reliable and efficient (Nissan has been building them since 2012.) I have a real 170 mile range at 65 mph between charges (35-40 minutes per charge).

Would I own an EV as my ONLY vehicle? Not yet. The charging stations in Florida aren’t built up enough yet. I still need the carrying and towing capacity of the F150 and the capacity to drive 4-wheel drive well off the electric grid in the deserts and mountains of our great country.
 
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rjtfroggy said:
Thats all? I was averaging 52mpg combined with my 2003 Electra Gluide FF special.
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That's based on my commuting driving while in VA. 25-30 miles one way and was probably 20k of the 25k I put on the bike while there. Haven't had the chance to do a real hiway test of it. Cancer has kept me close to home which is quite rural.
 
One of the things to watch for with EV's is the battery chemistry. They all use Lithium batteries but did you know there are several types of lithium battery? The early ones commonly know as LiPo (Lithium Polymer) and they're the main source of some spectacular fires. They don't like to be mistreated and that includes over charging and deep discharging.

The best type today (in mass production) is the LiFe or lithium iron. To my knowledge these do not spontaneously combust. In fact to my knowledge they don't combust at all without outside help. I have one as the battery in my Harley and it's been a great battery. Weighs all of 5.5 pounds. I did play a bit with it's cold weather capabilities and it would require the lights be on for 30 seconds or more before it would wake up enough to turn the motor over. Fortunately I don't wake up either much below 50* so it's not a problem I have to deal with.

So called Solid State batteries are a play on words. To most people the term solid state brings forth images of Computer Chips and transistors and such. However in the case of a battery, solid state simply means the electrolyte itself is a solid. Vice the liquid (acid) and Gel we've all become use to. The basic technology remains the same, pos and neg electrodes simmering in an electrolyte of some kind.

Battery technology has come a very long way in the past 30 or so years. And there's a lot of interesting possibilities on the horizon. To include one technology that will cut the weight of a lithium cell in half and it's physical size down to about 60% of what it is now. And it doesn't combust easily either.

And BTW, Lithium is quite poisonous.
 
Appowner said:
One of the things to watch for with EV's is the battery chemistry. They all use Lithium batteries but did you know there are several types of lithium battery? The early ones commonly know as LiPo (Lithium Polymer) and they're the main source of some spectacular fires. They don't like to be mistreated and that includes over charging and deep discharging.

The best type today (in mass production) is the LiFe or lithium iron. To my knowledge these do not spontaneously combust. In fact to my knowledge they don't combust at all without outside help. I have one as the battery in my Harley and it's been a great battery. Weighs all of 5.5 pounds. I did play a bit with it's cold weather capabilities and it would require the lights be on for 30 seconds or more before it would wake up enough to turn the motor over. Fortunately I don't wake up either much below 50* so it's not a problem I have to deal with.

So called Solid State batteries are a play on words. To most people the term solid state brings forth images of Computer Chips and transistors and such. However in the case of a battery, solid state simply means the electrolyte itself is a solid. Vice the liquid (acid) and Gel we've all become use to. The basic technology remains the same, pos and neg electrodes simmering in an electrolyte of some kind.

Battery technology has come a very long way in the past 30 or so years. And there's a lot of interesting possibilities on the horizon. To include one technology that will cut the weight of a lithium cell in half and it's physical size down to about 60% of what it is now. And it doesn't combust easily either.

And BTW, Lithium is quite poisonous.
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Lithium may be quite poisonous but it is also a drug used in the treatment of mental illness. We have an entire political class who should be on that drug.
 
ronsatspokane said:
Lithium may be quite poisonous but it is also a drug used in the treatment of mental illness. We have an entire political class who should be on that drug.
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See:
www.statnews.com

An old-school pharmacy hand-delivers drugs to Congress, a little-known perk for the powerful

For at least two decades, pharmaceutical drugs have been taken by carload to the Capitol — an arrangement so under the radar that few are aware of it.
www.statnews.com www.statnews.com

"At first it's cool, and then you realize, I'm filling some drugs that are for some pretty serious health problems as well. And these are the people that are running the country," Kim said,
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Appowner said:
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That's based on my commuting driving while in VA. 25-30 miles one way and was probably 20k of the 25k I put on the bike while there. Haven't had the chance to do a real hiway test of it. Cancer has kept me close to home which is quite rural.
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I have not been on mine in 8 years it sits in the garage because of a refusal to believe I can't ride anymore.
With all the lumbar surgeries (8) and a 5.5-year battle with cancer resulting in removal of entire urinary trac, I have now succumbed to the realization that my riding days are finished, so my Harley goes on the for-sale block within the next month. It will be a sad day, lifelong love of riding coming to an end.
 
Most manufacturers were sticking to the stricter rules anyway, they knew it was too easily changed. There are a number of manufacturers not doing further gas engine development.
 
Dusty Stevens said:
That generator runs 110v. It will only take 3 days to get an 80% charge. Not really an option more than a photo-op
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Looks like a Honda Generator?
The kind you fire up when the power goes off, you plug your refer into to keep your beer cold and the milk from getting warm??
That "Generator" supplies "electricity" to power the shown charger to CHARGE the EV battery. Doesn't look like a photo op to me. May look stupid but if it gets them home? Sure beats walking. ;)
 
NorCalMikie said:
Looks like a Honda Generator?
The kind you fire up when the power goes off, you plug your refer into to keep your beer cold and the milk from getting warm??
That "Generator" supplies "electricity" to power the shown charger to CHARGE the EV battery. Doesn't look like a photo op to me. May look stupid but if it gets them home? Sure beats walking. ;)
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Im not doubting they plugged it in and its actually running. Im just saying on a regular 110v outlet, which is what that generator has, it takes 3-4 days to charge that vehicle.
 
Dusty Stevens said:
Im not doubting they plugged it in and its actually running. Im just saying on a regular 110v outlet, which is what that generator has, it takes 3-4 days to charge that vehicle.
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From the looks of that lash up I'm thinking they have the three days ,probably only headed for Veggie store anyway
 
Dusty Stevens said:
Im not doubting they plugged it in and its actually running. Im just saying on a regular 110v outlet, which is what that generator has, it takes 3-4 days to charge that vehicle.
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Maybe 3-4 days to 75 or 80 % but 1 to 2 gallons is better than a Cat's Paw special. :oops: ;)
And in a pinch, you could pick "that car" up, put it on your shoulder and carry it home. :)

Just watched "again" a program called Vintage Voltage. Made in the U.K. where they electrified an early 308 Ferrari. From the factory, maybe 200 HP ? Using a Tesla motor and gear box swap, about 400 HP and zero to 60 in about 3 seconds. :D About a 150 mile range. And it would be a toy so mileage would fit the program. ;)
So, if a Tesla will go 250 to 300 miles on a charge, thinking you could do a swap on just about "anything" and get close to the same results?
Thinking 32 Ford 3 Window coupe . Lots of room under the hood for batteries and the weight in front would match the engine weight so it would still handle good? Go light weight glass body and it should go like STINK!! You would need a sound recording of EXHAUST PIPES and spinning tires to make it real. :cool:

Or, go with a gutted Prius Hybrid. (no charging needed) I figure somebody has already done it??
 
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Ledd Slinger said:
And his electric bill will increase $50-$100 month to charge the vehicle depending on how much driving he does and what his power company charges. It takes a lot of power to fully charge one of those cars from a low level.

Say he saves $4000 per year in due costs, then offset that by $1000 per year electric bill increase which leaves $3000 per year savings. Assuming he already had his last vehicle paid off, that $50k electric car won’t actually start saving him a dime until he drives it for 17-18 years.
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exaxctly why i will continue to drive my 17 year old Cummins on my 7 mile commute Doesn't hurt that we have two- 10K gallon underground fuel tanks where i get get free fuel a long as i drive a diesel
 
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