Digging Deeper into COVID-19

[338 dude]

So even after I explain that the numbers you are are invalid and nonsensical, you fail to defend them and just deflect. So you don't actually care about truth, you are simply diverting to support your pre-conceived narrative.

Everything about this virus the vaccine country of origin smells funny You can explain numbers all you want,Please explain all the blood clots miscarriages and deaths you don’t mention any of that

 

[Evan]

Please explain all the blood clots miscarriages and deaths you don’t mention any of that

Anaphylaxis is the primary cause of death at the moment, but the total deaths attributed to vaccination for COVID for any reason is reported as 4,434. Blood clots are 28 of those cases.

I can't find any statistics on miscarriages, before COVID or during, so I'm just going to suggest that there is no readily available source of data to substantiate or deny claims made about miscarriages, particularly over shorter time periods like the last 6 months. Please point me to databases that collect this kind of information if you know of any; I'd be interested in seeing real numbers. I have been told that miscarriages are very common, 1 in 4, by my wife's doctor. If that is true, then the US' approximate 4000 births per year would be the result of at least 5333 pregnancies and ~1333 miscarriages (I know this is a hand-wavy number, but it is demonstrative of the order of magnitude). The claims I can find are 34 miscarriages have been reported to VAERS.

So we have 4,434 deaths out of ~340,000,000 doses administered. That is a 1 in 76,700 chance. Based on a quick search, it looks like that is comparable to the statistical risk of dying from a dog attack. 2018-2019 flu season resulted in 35,500,000 people getting the flu with 34,200 people dying. That is approximately a 1 in 1000 chance of death.

 

[Capt. Oblivious]

I saw on the internet that if you get the vaccine you will understand what your President is saying in one of his "speeches"

 

[wbm]

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.” C.S. Lewis

 

[L.Sherm]

Somebody who is a so called expert explain this to me, I suspect it was this way nationwide.

 

[bsekf]

I have a theory, but will keep it to myself. However, I do want to see the total deaths and their causes for 2018, 2019,2020 and 2021. There has been so much poor, misleading and wrong information, I just want to see the totals.

Bill

 

[itchyTF]

Does that mean everything was reported as Covid?

 

[Dgd6mm]

Incorrect. Pfizer vaccine, for example, was 94% effective at preventing infection as defined by a positive test-- not severity of symptoms. So much misinformation being regurgitated.

What percentage is the Johnson and Johnson's effectiveness in preventing infection?

 

[Keith Glasscock]

@spaniel Thank you for taking time to explain your background and experiences with vaccines. I also appreciate your candor when it comes to the subject of the politicization of science.

My family and I have made individual decisions about vaccination for this virus, just the same as we have for a variety of other maladies and viruses: Influenza, Varicella, MMR, DTP, Hepatitis, etc.. We simply weighed risks to benefits of vaccination.

I would encourage everyone to look at the proposed risk/benefits and make their own, personal decision.

 

[bsekf]

I have a feeling you will not see much difference in the totals. Yes, I believe many deaths were erroneously attributed to Covid. But the totals should show if there was a huge increase in 2020 and I don't believe they will. There may have been a reduction in cold, flu and pneumonia caused deaths, because of social distancing and masks. However, there could/should be an increase in other causes because people didn't seek treatment for cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. I just think the totals will remain relatively stable.

 

[Kratos]

I have a feeling you will not see much difference in the totals. Yes, I believe many deaths were erroneously attributed to Covid. But the totals should show if there was a huge increase in 2020 and I don't believe they will. There may have been a reduction in cold, flu and pneumonia caused deaths, because of social distancing and masks. However, there could/should be an increase in other causes because people didn't seek treatment for cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc. I just think the totals will remain relatively stable.

There was a huge increase in total death over the past year over the historical average. It lines up well with estimated deaths from COVID-19. This has been well described all along.

 

[338 Mollett]

In my home town not far from where I live is Kentucky Bioprocessing .A friend of mine has a niece that works there that did a lot of work on the Ebola vaccine.They also have done work on the Covid vaccine.I found it odd when David said she will not take the Covid shots.

 

[INTJ]

As far as deciding whether or not to take the vaccine, we must make the decision using logic and not emotion. We also need to make sure the info we use to build our logical conclusion comes from reliable sources.

A decision made based on emotion simply isn't valid here. It's not that emotion isn't useful, but it is only an indicator that we need to think and research more deeply.

It looks like many here are making their decision based on unreliable info from questionable sources. Because that info fits with how they feel, they look past to quality of info. That is a mistake.

Please make sure that whatever decision you make is based on solid medical information from reliable sources, then think it through carefully.

 

[itchyTF]

Please make sure that whatever decision you make is based on solid medical information from reliable sources, then think it through carefully.

And those sources are??? This is not a sarcastic question, it’s sincere. I’m leery of anything Covid related with a .gov tacked on.

 

[INTJ]

And those sources are??? This is not a sarcastic question, it’s sincere. I’m leery of anything Covid related with a .gov tacked on.

Your MD is the best source. If you must use the Internet, Web MD and the Mayo Clinic aren't terrible, but your own doc is better.

We can look up the credentials of our docs and then talk with them to understand the logic of their advice. Most of mine have been transparent and honest, differentiating their own opinions from industry thinking as well as discussing the latest research. All you have to do is ask......

 

[itchyTF]

I can’t read the full article because I don’t have a subscription but it starts out - Radiologists are finding enlarged lymph nodes in mammograms of women who recently got a dose of COVID-19 vaccine — something that’s often a...............

Wonder if it’s just temporary?

 

[Kratos]

I can’t read the full article because I don’t have a subscription but it starts out - Radiologists are finding enlarged lymph nodes in mammograms of women who recently got a dose of COVID-19 vaccine — something that’s often a...............

Wonder if it’s just temporary?

Vaccines cause a systemic inflammatory response. It’s not surprising there would be enlarged lymph nodes. Not a big deal or anything to be afraid of.

 

[Charwell]

The mrna delivery system is whats not been talked about. Both Pfizer and moderna use solid lipid nanoparticles to deliver mrna to the cells. According to Wikipedia , polyethylene gylated lipids . They say its very inflammatory. Also this method is used to cross the blood brain barrier. So , it remains to be seen if this mrna can latch on to neurons and potentially cause prion type diseases.

 

[Coyotefurharvester]

Hospitals,clinics received 13000 for each COVID postive patient,39000 additional for ventilated individual. There was money to be made off COVID, not from influenza. 8 fully vaccinated NYY players and staff have tested positive(asymptomatic). There has been deaths from fully vaccinated, testing positive for the virus. However average age of COVID death still 78 yo, average lifespan here 78. Unmolested Statistics don't lie, unlike our current Whitehouse staff and Fauci, democrat governors.

 

[Kratos]

The mrna delivery system is whats not been talked about. Both Pfizer and moderna use solid lipid nanoparticles to deliver mrna to the cells. According to Wikipedia , polyethylene gylated lipids . They say its very inflammatory. Also this method is used to cross the blood brain barrier. So , it remains to be seen if this mrna can latch on to neurons and potentially cause prion type diseases.

Yes people have talked about this at great length. Those are used as ingredients in other drugs. They were tested in these vaccines in tens of thousands of patients and then further monitoring in millions after approval. Nothing terrible has been observed.

And prion diseases are caused by very specific proteins that have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with any vaccine ingredient, or COVID.