If he hasn't changed his view then he's not following science or logic or math. A year ago a reasonable person could still think that masks worked. Nowadays not so much.....
Digging Deeper into COVID-19
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If he hasn't changed his view then he's not following science or logic or math. A year ago a reasonable person could still think that masks worked. Nowadays not so much.....
That is your opinion and has nothing to do with fact
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ronsatspokane
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So just to put things into perspective, for the purpose of donation of genetic material (such as bone marrow) used to fight terrible diseases around the world, if you are over 48 years old your genetic material is not preferred. If you are over 60 it is not accepted. The reason being that your DNA is already damaged. Your expiration date with regard to the quality of your genetic material has been reached.
So for those who are concerned about vaccines for reasons related to purity of mind and body, the purity of your body is already questionable and for those who do not understand this reality, the purity of the mind might also be called into question.
The process of aging does more damage to your DNA than scientific evidence indicates that this vaccine could ever do. Maybe the science is wrong but for most of us on this board, that is a moot point. Especially for those of us who grew up in the 60's and 70's. Given the substances we ingested we are lucky to be alive today.
My wife and I are in our mid 60's. We got our vaccine doses. The thought being that we would rather have the antibodies required to fight this virus before we encountered it rather than develop those antibodies in real time while fighting it off. The danger of fighting in real time being that one could discover that their immune system is not up to the task or worse yet that ones immune system is more than up to the task resulting in cytokine storm. Either way, the discovery would be the last discovery an unfortunate individual ever made and far too many have already made that discovery.
The above is not a sales pitch. Just a couple points to consider. You roll the dice and regardless of how they come up, you live with the consequences.
So for those who are concerned about vaccines for reasons related to purity of mind and body, the purity of your body is already questionable and for those who do not understand this reality, the purity of the mind might also be called into question.
The process of aging does more damage to your DNA than scientific evidence indicates that this vaccine could ever do. Maybe the science is wrong but for most of us on this board, that is a moot point. Especially for those of us who grew up in the 60's and 70's. Given the substances we ingested we are lucky to be alive today.
My wife and I are in our mid 60's. We got our vaccine doses. The thought being that we would rather have the antibodies required to fight this virus before we encountered it rather than develop those antibodies in real time while fighting it off. The danger of fighting in real time being that one could discover that their immune system is not up to the task or worse yet that ones immune system is more than up to the task resulting in cytokine storm. Either way, the discovery would be the last discovery an unfortunate individual ever made and far too many have already made that discovery.
The above is not a sales pitch. Just a couple points to consider. You roll the dice and regardless of how they come up, you live with the consequences.
I am sorry that I hurt you feelings by showing the error of the thinking on your Covid math. I made a critique of the logic behind the math, not you personally.
Although you have attempted to bait me into a childish tit-for-tat insult contest, I have continued to give you the benefit of the doubt and treat your replies as if they were a serious attempt to discuss the issue.
Since your replies seem to be more focused on "getting me" than having a grown-up discussion, I see no need to continue to interact with you.
Just to clarify my intent, I was referring to the sentence which is in bold. That opinion is still relevant today and was not meant to address the poster.
There in lies some of the problem. For me and some others we have looked at the situation and decided I or we accept our decision for better or worse. I encourage people to make their own decisions. My daughter and her family decided to take the Vacine and I have no problem with that. The result is we have only been together twice in the last year because I have not had the Vacine. That is her decision and I abide with it.
6MMsteve
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nailed it..
So with this statement you would physically threaten those who choose to make a different decision. I still believe I live in a country founded on the belief of individual rights and freedoms and will continue to live that way. Just remember it works both ways.
This is just another example of why this country is split down the middle. One half wants to tell everyone how to live and make the rules. The other half just want to be left alone to live their lives as they see fit.
A reckoning is coming and I see no way to stop it.
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I don't know if he has the same option now vs a year ago so it may be hard to get answers to your questions. I suppose that today there are still some who really think that a mask is protection and the vaccine isn't, and I'll bet there aren't many who hold that view.
Well I must agree on one thing I see no need to interact with you either ,you did not hurt my feelings nor did you change my mind about anything I did not intend to insult you but I’m not sorry if you feel that way that is your interpretation it was not my intent. maybe I am not the smartest individual you are obviously much more intelligent than I am and better at expressing yourself but bottom line I do not trust anything About this virus or the cure this is all brought about unnaturally by governments and billionaires
I think you may have misunderstood my meaning. I don't have the right to go around punching people in the face, even if I do have the right to swing my arms around as I walk.
@INTJ
Blaine I respect your position, but let's look at this from my side just a second.
1st, I haven't worn a mask the entire time since this began.
2nd, we've sheltered 3 different families that needed a place to be for extended periods.
3rd, we sheltered 18 family members during the fires last year.
4th, I get mail/ stocks from all over the country on a regular basis.
5th, I smoke cigars, a E-cigarette, I'm overweight, I don't eat right, nor wash my hands regularly except after going to the can.
6th, my FAITH is stronger than my fear!!
So I have to ask. Why haven't i gotten sick yet, or dead?
My logical conclusion is as I've always stated.
This Dem-panic is out to control the population through fear spread by mass media and government.
Blaine I respect your position, but let's look at this from my side just a second.
1st, I haven't worn a mask the entire time since this began.
2nd, we've sheltered 3 different families that needed a place to be for extended periods.
3rd, we sheltered 18 family members during the fires last year.
4th, I get mail/ stocks from all over the country on a regular basis.
5th, I smoke cigars, a E-cigarette, I'm overweight, I don't eat right, nor wash my hands regularly except after going to the can.
6th, my FAITH is stronger than my fear!!
So I have to ask. Why haven't i gotten sick yet, or dead?
My logical conclusion is as I've always stated.
This Dem-panic is out to control the population through fear spread by mass media and government.
NorCalMikie
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Getting real close to BINGO!!
Hadn't seen the grand kids for quite a while. When they finally stopped by, I sat them down and told them: If you come to our house and we happen to get sick, it's "NOT YOUR FAULT". Grand Son and his new wife stopped by wearing masks because they were around LOTS of folks and didn't want to take the chance of giving the "bug" to us old folks.
I figure the wife and I have already had the "plague" back at the end of 2019. Same symptoms as what's been said now.
Lasted about a month. Not really that bad but the wife was a little concerned so off to the Dr. Checked her out and said she had some kind of a virus (before they really knew what was going around) and would have to live with it a bit longer. The girls in the Dr's office had the same crap. And I mentioned that. The wife was already on the mend but wanted to get checked out.
I have mentioned already having the "bug" to the Dr. but he stays pretty quiet.
I don't do flu shots. Been offered them but say "No Thanks". Eldest daughter (the RN) took the flu shot or wear a mask all day at work. Was sick for 2 weeks.
Me take any shots? NO THANK YOU!! Wear a mask if required to enter a store. Other than that, NO!!
If I don't wear a mask in a store and am jumped about it, I'll take my $$$ and go somewhere else.
Wife is up and down about the vaccine. AFIB is her concern. I keep loaded up on vitamins and don't get sick so when I die, they'll have to beat my organs to death with a stick.
I don't do the Kool Aid BS!! I AM smart enough to think for myself. And, I think the Covid thing is a LOT of BS. Right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. And the fact that the folks that are closing down the businesses are still getting a pay check, says a lot!!
Roses are red
Kamala's not black
Joe is an idiot
and Hunter's on crack.
ronsatspokane
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Both are valid choices. I'm more than a little uncomfortable with people being forced to follow federal government guidlines. Especially in light of how powerful and far reaching the federal government has become. That kind of power was reserved for the states. Looking down the road I can easily see the federal government requiring us all to wear butt plugs in the name of the green new deal. Gotta capture that methane, it's a green house gas ya know.
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NorCalMikie
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We the people (in lots of cases) = we the sheeple. That is the problem with this country now. California is a perfect example, as well as most of Washington DC!!
Have been screamed at in the grocery store for "going down an isle the wrong way".
Had to leave before I ended up in the slammer for something I was thinking about doing to the screamer. It was a sheeple thing.
Have been screamed at in the grocery store for "going down an isle the wrong way".
Had to leave before I ended up in the slammer for something I was thinking about doing to the screamer. It was a sheeple thing.
I simply remind them that the 1 thing more dangerous to thier health over covid 19, is not minding thier own business.We the people (in lots of cases) = we the sheeple. That is the problem with this country now. California is a perfect example, as well as most of Washington DC!!
Have been screamed at in the grocery store for "going down an isle the wrong way".
Had to leave before I ended up in the slammer for something I was thinking about doing to the screamer. It was a sheeple thing.
Break time is over, 15 more necks left to turn.
joshb
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You raise chickens?
You are assuming I have a position that I haven't taken. What I said was that each of us should look for solid info from reliable sources (like our MD) and use logic, not emotion, as we decide what to do. I have no issue with what decision anyone makes as long as they think it through.
The big anti-vax push started in the 1960s when a vaccine for for the Hong Kong Flu was rushed through in a panic. That was a huge mistake and put in the minds of many that vaccines are bad. However, the processes are much better today.
While I do not have much trust in politicians, I did trust that Trump's removal of red tape allowed those in the vaccine industry to produce a good vaccine in record time.
Speaking of thinking things through, there is only like a 5% chance that anyone will get Covid and have symptoms. So 95% (or whatever the actual number is) of people won't get it bad enough to notice. This means people will likely get away with whatever they do. It may make sense for the elderly and those with certain underlying conditions to get vaccinated because they may be very vulnerable. It's all in where an individual falls on the risk/reward spectrum.
I am a healthy 61 yr old, and the risk of the vaccine is extremely low for me even if the reward is only moderate. So it made sense for me to get it. I made a different decision when my GE doc wanted to put me on Humira for UC. Given the mild level of my symptoms and the risk of a biologic, each time I pushed back on the doc he had to agree that I was right. Conversely, Dupixent--another injectable biologic--has completely resolved my wife's severe eczema. Eczema so bad every specialist she saw said it was the worse case they had ever seen. So each person and situation is different.
As to faith. I can see it now. Someone who says they trust God and didn't need the vaccine will die of Covid and go to Heaven. When they see God they will ask why He didn't save them from Covid. God will then say "What do you mean? I gave you three vaccine choices in record time."
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