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Digging Deeper into COVID-19

I live in rural Arizona, my office is just outside Phoenix and we do a large amount of work in Hawaii. The way these three areas have handle the pandemic is totally different. At my home in rural Arizona very few of us wore masks, followed CDC guidelines etc. At our office place outside Phoenix most everything shut down except essential businesses, that area has lightened up and masks aren’t required unless an individual business asks its patrons to wear one. Hawaii is by far the one place I’ve been too that is being very very vigilant in how it’s dealing with Covid, they take it to another level. The people that live in those three places are also in very different frames of minds. Those in my home at rural Arizona are in pretty good spirits, I can’t think of any business that are gone and it feels almost like pre Covid. The people I’ve interacted with around the office area in Phoenix are starting to get back to normal, there a few businesses that didn’t make it but people are doing pretty good. Then there’s Hawaii, stress levels are high, people are tired of it all and there are several businesses that didn’t make it. They are paying dearly in many regards.

When Covid hit we stayed working in Hawaii as lomg as we could but by the first week of April, 2020 we flew back home and shut down operations, everybody continued to be paid for the next 5 weeks and me and my partner were trying to act in good faith. We didn’t know where this was going. It became my personal opinion as I watched things unfold that Covid was being used as an agenda for people to control other people and after shutting things down we went back to work. We were lucky and had work in Arizona and government job that continued moving forward In New Mexico. We eventually got cleared to work in Hawaii again too. I have flown back and forth from Hawaii to Arizona many times and the difference between the three places I mentioned are huge. I’m grateful I live in rural Arizona, I don’t think I could handle the constant whatever you wanna call it where regulations are strict, I feel for those who have lost so much, it heartbreaking.

As far as the vaccine goes I feel like if you want it get it. If your in the high risk age group or have other health conditions that put you at risk then by all means take precautions, get the vaccine and do whatever you feel makes sense. I also hope people understand someone like myself, who refuses to get vaccinated, I don’t feel comfortable with it, developed very quickly. When this started I was worried about bodies in the streets, no room to store bodies etc. I just haven’t seen that, I know a few people who have contracted Covid, all but two recovered quickly. I am aware that many have lost loved ones too. If you’ve lost someone to Covid my sincere condolences.

Ive heard the arguments on both sides and respect both sides, at least I respect those without an agenda, those who are sincere about how they feel. Sadly I don’t think everyone is sincere. I think too many use it for political or personal gain. I’ll continue to follow my gut. What has happened to our economy, what has happened in regards to people becoming dependent on government checks, much of what has happened is far worse than the disease in my eyes. I travel every two weeks back and forth, I’ve seen a lot of areas and just haven’t seen what I hear about in some areas of the country. As far as stats and numbers I put little faith in anything put out by the government, there are too many games being played, too much corruption at every level. Just my opinion, I’m well aware That others feel very differently and that’s ok too.
 
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I believe I have already had it before it was ever talked about here in the US. I had all the symptoms and was very sick for about 6 weeks in the first few weeks of January & February of 2020. Yes, thought I was going to die. I was 65 at the time and simply could not breath. Worst thing akin to a cold or flu I ever had at any rate. Dr. said respiratory infection. Maybe but it was something else along with that. But, I still will not take the so called vaccine because too many knowledgable people have said it is NOT a vaccine. I certainly trust those with that kind of education far more and over and beyond any Gov official pushing a needle. Stick your needle where the sun don't shine and leave me alone.
 
I just did a little reading about the "vaccine". And, it's not a vaccine according to the definition I am familiar with. But, if I understand correctly it is RNA designed to cause our cells to produce a protein that "trains" our body to fight the virus?

RNA injected into my body? No thanks, and double no thanks. My Maker will take me home when and how He desires.
 
I just did a little reading about the "vaccine". And, it's not a vaccine according to the definition I am familiar with. But, if I understand correctly it is RNA designed to cause our cells to produce a protein that "trains" our body to fight the virus?

RNA injected into my body? No thanks, and double no thanks. My Maker will take me home when and how He desires.
Maybe you can post a link to what you read?
 
Maybe you can post a link to what you read?
Goggle "say no to the jab" it's a good read.
Ol Billy Gates, and Fauci are wanted for crimes against humanity.

Jim your a smart fella, well astute, with a strong understanding of economics....
Ya just cant tell me these Mother F'rs aren't getting paid.
My views on the subject are the same as they've always been.

God is my father, christ is my savior, and he'll call me home when he's good and ready!
I honestly pray for the folks that have succumbed to the hype/hysteria that has been spread throughout the world, and have been so called "vaccinated".
 
Goggle "say no to the jab" it's a good read.
Ol Billy Gates, and Fauci are wanted for crimes against humanity.

Jim your a smart fella, well astute, with a strong understanding of economics....
Ya just cant tell me these Mother F'rs aren't getting paid.
My views on the subject are the same as they've always been.

God is my father, christ is my savior, and he'll call me home when he's good and ready!
I honestly pray for the folks that have succumbed to the hype/hysteria that has been spread throughout the world, and have been so called "vaccinated".
+ 1. Truth if it's ever been told.
 
Maybe you can post a link to what you read?

This is the one that I just read. Vaccine makes it sound like it is the same as all the old vaccines, like polio, mumps, etc. But, it's not. The "stuff" in the vaccine is messenger RNA.

Here's what the CDC says - "COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19".

Here's one source I read: https://www.midlandscbd.com/articles/can-mrna-gene-therapy-jabs-permanently-alter-your-dna

So, they have injected millions of people with RNA to alter your body so it produces the same protein found on the corona virus? Am I reading this stuff right? It's wilder than my imagination. But I do know I don't even knowingly eat genetically altered foods, so I'm not even wildly interested in being genetically altered; especially when the scientists DON"T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE LONG TERM EFFECTS COULD BE!
 
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This is the one that I just read. Vaccine makes it sound like it is the same as all the old vaccines, like polio, mumps, etc. But, it's not. The "stuff" in the vaccine is messenger RNA.

Here's what the CDC says - "COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19".

Here's one source I read: https://www.midlandscbd.com/articles/can-mrna-gene-therapy-jabs-permanently-alter-your-dna

So, they have injected millions of people with RNA to alter your body so it produces the same protein found on the corona virus? Am I reading this stuff right? It's wilder than my imagination. But I do know I don't even knowingly eat genetically altered foods, so I'm not even wildly interested in being genetically altered; especially when the scientists DON"T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE LONG TERM EFFECTS COULD BE!
Nailed it.

Long term effects could be devastating.

By the way, having a covid mRNA shot and dying as a result of it may well render your life insurance null and void. Experimental therapeutic agents that are not fda approved will render your life insurance void.
 
Goggle "say no to the jab" it's a good read.
Ol Billy Gates, and Fauci are wanted for crimes against humanity.

Jim your a smart fella, well astute, with a strong understanding of economics....
Ya just cant tell me these Mother F'rs aren't getting paid.
My views on the subject are the same as they've always been.

God is my father, christ is my savior, and he'll call me home when he's good and ready!
I honestly pray for the folks that have succumbed to the hype/hysteria that has been spread throughout the world, and have been so called "vaccinated".
I’ve seen 5 doctors (All REAL MD’s) this year and all of them received mRNA vaccines and highly recommended I do the same. I did.

The information on mRNA technology is readily available on the Web. Here is a good example.


Hard to argue with real, unbiased views. After all Trump was near the head of the line to get his mRNA vaccination!
 
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I’ve seen 5 doctors (All REAL MD’s) this year and all of them received mRNA vaccines and highly recommended I do the same. I did.
They are "PAID" to recommend you recieve the vaccine.
The funny part about the JAB is, it doesn't stop the spread of the virus or inhibit you from getting it, yet it alters your DNA in essence making you a GMO.
So what's the point of getting it except to fulfill someone else's agenda.
This is not God's plan.

Slightly off topic but fits the narrative.
Our lovely governor is pushing for a 70% vaccination rate. Good luck with that.
This would be the same governor that entered office with a net worth of $700,000 & a salary of $130,000 a year. Her new net worth is almost
$300,000,000 after 5 years. Hmmmmm????
On top of that she's taxing stimulus payments 8%.
So do you really think she gives a shit about Oregonians? Doubtful
 
I’ve seen 5 doctors (All REAL MD’s) this year and all of them received mRNA vaccines and highly recommended I do the same. I did.

The information on mRNA technology is readily available on the Web. Here is a good example.


Hard to argue with real, unbiased views. After all Trump was near the head of the line to get his mRNA vaccination!
Not really hard to argue with at all,I am not a guinea pig to be used for someone else’s experiment
 
Everything I read agrees that the long term effects are unknown. Also, everything I read indicates that even if vaccinated, you can still catch and/or carry the virus. The best way I saw it described is that the vaccine induces an auto immune response - your body is producing both the threat and the response to build antigens.

I still respect the various decisions stated here and am glad it is an option and not forced on us. I trust God's design of the body far more than a man made alteration.
 
Also, if you die as a results of the vaccine because of complications it causes you, your family is prohibited to seek compensation against the drug company that made the vaccine. Doesn't sound like they are to sure about it if they can't stand behind it. It'll be interesting to see what kind of effects those that get the shot have in a year or so....
 
This is the one that I just read. Vaccine makes it sound like it is the same as all the old vaccines, like polio, mumps, etc. But, it's not. The "stuff" in the vaccine is messenger RNA.

Here's what the CDC says - "COVID-19 mRNA vaccines give instructions for our cells to make a harmless piece of what is called the “spike protein.” The spike protein is found on the surface of the virus that causes COVID-19".

Here's one source I read: https://www.midlandscbd.com/articles/can-mrna-gene-therapy-jabs-permanently-alter-your-dna

So, they have injected millions of people with RNA to alter your body so it produces the same protein found on the corona virus? Am I reading this stuff right? It's wilder than my imagination. But I do know I don't even knowingly eat genetically altered foods, so I'm not even wildly interested in being genetically altered; especially when the scientists DON"T HAVE A CLUE WHAT THE LONG TERM EFFECTS COULD BE!

I'm a molecular biologist with 15 years of experience. I've worked with all the mRNA vaccine companies and am considered an expert in that technology.

I don't know where you get your information but you are uninformed, and wrong.

ALL vaccines get your body to present a foreign protein in the correct context to stimulate an immune response. This one does it a bit differently but in the end does the same thing.

An mRNA vaccine does not "alter your body". No more than any other vaccine. You know what the old school weakened virus vaccines do? They give a weakened virus which can goad your cells to produce the foreign protein -- by making mRNA, same as these vaccines -- they just prevent an intact virus from being reproduced.

But I'm just a scientific expert, and I'm sure you will disregard my knowledge and opinion because it counters the narrative you are scouring the internet to affirm...
 
I don't trust the government, Fauci, the CDC, etc. I also don't like being a guinea pig. I'm 74 and take meds for BP, cholesterol, heart rhythm (afib) and blood thinner (because of the possibility of afib starting again). I understand the "vaccine" doesn't prevent you from getting it but if you do it's not supposed to be as severe. I feel like a monkey in the middle. Damned if I do and damned if I don't.
 
I'm a molecular biologist with 15 years of experience. I've worked with all the mRNA vaccine companies and am considered an expert in that technology.

I don't know where you get your information but you are uninformed, and wrong.

ALL vaccines get your body to present a foreign protein in the correct context to stimulate an immune response. This one does it a bit differently but in the end does the same thing.

An mRNA vaccine does not "alter your body". No more than any other vaccine. You know what the old school weakened virus vaccines do? They give a weakened virus which can goad your cells to produce the foreign protein -- by making mRNA, same as these vaccines -- they just prevent an intact virus from being reproduced.

But I'm just a scientific expert, and I'm sure you will disregard my knowledge and opinion because it counters the narrative you are scouring the internet to affirm...
From what is the RNA produced?
 
I understand the "vaccine" doesn't prevent you from getting it but if you do it's not supposed to be as severe.
Incorrect. Pfizer vaccine, for example, was 94% effective at preventing infection as defined by a positive test-- not severity of symptoms. So much misinformation being regurgitated.
 
I'm a molecular biologist with 15 years of experience. I've worked with all the mRNA vaccine companies and am considered an expert in that technology.

I don't know where you get your information but you are uninformed, and wrong.

ALL vaccines get your body to present a foreign protein in the correct context to stimulate an immune response. This one does it a bit differently but in the end does the same thing.

An mRNA vaccine does not "alter your body". No more than any other vaccine. You know what the old school weakened virus vaccines do? They give a weakened virus which can goad your cells to produce the foreign protein -- by making mRNA, same as these vaccines -- they just prevent an intact virus from being reproduced.

But I'm just a scientific expert, and I'm sure you will disregard my knowledge and opinion because it counters the narrative you are scouring the internet to affirm...
I am very interested in the topic of molecular biology. Could you provide some of your background and education that provides the basis for being a SME, Subject Matter Expert?
 

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