COVID-19 Map worldwide, with statistics

[rwj]

You'd have to be rather stupid to read it that way but then many are

Please do explain how you read the chart... I’m not resorting to name calling...

 

[JimT]

Countries with higher case count, when faced with a reluctance to lock down again, have turned to the next best alternative of mask wearing. Countries that aren't facing a high case count pressure are less, well, pressured to resort to such. So it's actually quite sensible (i.e. not at all unexpected) to see the difference in scale. What the graphic does suggest is that those with masks are seeing falling case count whereas those without are exhibiting no progress and in that regard the graphic serves its intended purpose and is completely valid. Now whether that progress is due to masks (which might at worst only help remind people of their civic responsibility to take the virus and social distancing seriously) or other factors cannot be determined from those facts alone.



You'd have to be rather stupid to read it that way but then many are

Almost as stupid as a state that relies on 21% of its electrical energy from intermittent sources that are non-generating in the dark?

 

[rwj]

Why not just make the Y axis 0-1000?

No mask: from 10->9 (at best) over the period. 10% improvement.
Mask: from 25 -> 16 over the period. 36% improvement.

The subject of my comment was the rate value, not the change in rate. Interesting that though the mask rate has declined, it is still higher than for non-mask. I wonder why?

 

[Straightshooter1]

We all need to keep in mind that masks are for reducing risk, NOT eliminating risk. To that extent, reducing risk is exactly what they do . . . some masks doing so better than others:

 

[Brians356]

The subject of my comment was the rate value, not the change in rate. Interesting that though the mask rate has declined, it is still higher than for non-mask. I wonder why?

That could easily be explained by any number of disparities between counties: Population density, demographics, social customs, etc.
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[Flouncer]

Countries


You'd have to be rather stupid to read it that way but then many are

No. Simply no. Data should always be presented as facts, not edited for purpose when the case is argumentative. I would never call anyone on this board stupid. It's counties, not countries BTW.

 

[232]

About data.
It helps to know who what where when and why the figures were gathered.
Figures don’t lie but liars figure

 

[Bc'z]

I also believe that this virus is real. So is cancer, heart disease, Alzheimers, child abuse, psoriasis, erectile disfunction, heartbreak, and the loss of God.

I prefer to not live in fear of the virus, or any of those others, and it's easy because I haven't lost God.

This virus is going to be one of the many "Reapers" that take some of us out. It will be a tragedy for some, and a blessing for others.

I believe that sometime in the not too distant future, folks will look back and think, "My God, how stupid have we been?"

jd

I'm sure you've seen our latest bumer sticker to pop up locally.
My governor is a idiot!
Another funny one for you to check out.
The signs as you enter a public building or business....
Face masks required
But it dosen't say you have to wear it!! Lol

 

[Flouncer]

The signs as you enter a public building or business....
Face masks required
But it dosen't say you have to wear it!! Lol

Brilliant !! Most of Ours say "Facial covering required" But yeah, it doesnt say you have to cover your face with it.

 

[SGK]

Please do explain how you read the chart... I’m not resorting to name calling...

I think I already did. Note that the scale wasn't changed - 2 percentage points per spacing on the left as well as on the right. They just brought the two lines alongside each other so that the comparison could be more easily made. That should have made it easier for folks to compare the trends (one declining and one flat).




One treatment option we haven't mentioned much here but which seems to be very helpful in getting people out of hospital faster is plasma treatment. There's been a big drive here, and I assume elsewhere, to get people who have recovered from COVID to donate blood from which plasma is extracted (with COVID antibodies?) and used to treat patients. Presumably, although this is just speculation on my part, it works much in the same way as 'Platelet-rich Plasma' (PRP) therapy a treatment I've considered in the past for joint/tendon injuries but with antibodies intact and doing the work. Another way in which Florida is benefiting from time and experience.

(BTW we are still under a countywide 10pm-6am curfew here, alongside the closing of bars and banning of indoor restaurant dining. Makes for a very subdued social life. However, since every man and his dog has bought a boat the marinas are packed. Matheson Hammock Marina, for example, closed full at 8.30am last Sunday!)


EDIT: I just did a search to find out more about plasma treatment only to find that the FDA has just now halted what was expected to be emergency approval for the treatment!!

 

[jds holler]

EDIT: I just did a search to find out more about plasma treatment only to find that the FDA has just now halted what was expected to be emergency approval for the treatment!!

That's probably because Trump has been suggesting this treatment.
jd

 

[JimT]

I think I already did. Note that the scale wasn't changed - 2 percentage points per spacing on the left as well as on the right. They just brought the two lines alongside each other so that the comparison could be more easily made. That should have made it easier for folks to compare the trends (one declining and one flat).




One treatment option we haven't mentioned much here but which seems to be very helpful in getting people out of hospital faster is plasma treatment. There's been a big drive here, and I assume elsewhere, to get people who have recovered from COVID to donate blood from which plasma is extracted (with COVID antibodies?) and used to treat patients. Presumably, although this is just speculation on my part, it works much in the same way as 'Platelet-rich Plasma' (PRP) therapy a treatment I've considered in the past for joint/tendon injuries but with antibodies intact and doing the work. Another way in which Florida is benefiting from time and experience.

(BTW we are still under a countywide 10pm-6am curfew here, alongside the closing of bars and banning of indoor restaurant dining. Makes for a very subdued social life. However, since every man and his dog has bought a boat the marinas are packed. Matheson Hammock Marina, for example, closed full at 8.30am last Sunday!)


EDIT: I just did a search to find out more about plasma treatment only to find that the FDA has just now halted what was expected to be emergency approval for the treatment!!

Looks like your uncle Tony wants more data.

 

[Brians356]

Toby will win his bet. But he had hockey assists from a couple of negligent governors.


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[jds holler]

I heard the other day that the Covid has become our #3 cause of death.

I'd wager that a fair percentage, maybe majority of folks think that the virus is THE BIGGEST cause of death.

I don't sit around listening to the news all day, but I haven't heard this widely reported. jd

 

[SGK]

I'm willing to bet that graphic was not prepared by the CDC. You can find their latest data here (for the period week ending Feb 1 to week ending Aug 15):

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Note carefully how it is categorized. Note also that one of the ways COVID (and to a lesser extent Influenza) kills is through the onset of pneumonia. Of the 158,262 deaths involving COVID 69,558 ended up with Pneumonia as well. Note also the total for the US for "deaths involving Influenza with or without COVID or Pneumonia": 6,625. I will let you do the other obvious computations...

 

[SGK]

I heard the other day that the Covid has become our #3 cause of death.

I'd wager that a fair percentage, maybe majority of folks think that the virus is THE BIGGEST cause of death.

I don't sit around listening to the news all day, but I haven't heard this widely reported. jd

If you look at all the sub-categories that get bundled into "Heart Disease" and "Cancer" it likely is No 1.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf

Scroll down to Table 6 for example. The biggest sub category of cancer is lung cancer and COVID induced deaths already have exceeded it comfortably.

Funnily enough, cancer and heart diseases tend to kill mostly over 55 year olds as well. (Probably why the US has a life expectancy of circa 79 years...)

 

[jds holler]

If you look at all the sub-categories that get bundled into "Heart Disease" and "Cancer" it likely is No 1.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr68/nvsr68_09-508.pdf

Scroll down to Table 6 for example. Funnily enough, cancer and heart diseases tend to kill mostly over 55 year olds as well. (Probably why the US has a life expectancy of circa 79 years...)

Hmmm. The same could probably said for all the sub-catagories that get bundled into "Covid".

I live in a state that lists fatalities as "Covid or Presumed Covid". -- and I doubt that Oregon is unique in that. jd

 

[Brians356]

Kevin Roche in Minnesota is an attorney, former executive at UnitedHealth, and now has a blog called "Healthy Skeptic". Today Roche wrote:

"Minnesota’s drop of 17 new deaths reported yesterday prompts this quick post to demonstrate the misperceptions that causes. ... this past weekend I looked at the [CDC data for MN] data as of August 14. Here are some examples of how far back the changes go. For weeks ending in the month of April, on the August 14th pull versus the July 31st one, two coronavirus deaths were added, and one was deleted. April! In weeks ending in May, 5 deaths were added. Six deaths were added to June weeks. A significant number of all deaths added between the two CDC reporting dates were deaths that occurred over a month ago. ... So what is happening at the state level that we are still counting deaths from April and May? Does it really take that long for a death certificate to get from the certifying physician to the state? How many of these early epidemic but recently added deaths are changed death certificates? Is the state actively hunting to make every possible death a coronavirus death? Transparency from the state would eliminate suspicions."

https://healthy-skeptic.com/2020/08/20/death-reporting-issues/

Also, I have a friend who stood in line to get tested but had to jump out to go back to work. The next week the health department called him and told him his test came back positive! He argued with the wonk, explaining he was never even tested, but the wonk insisted "Well, sir, your test result is right here in the database. Sooo ..." In other words, case closed. I have no doubt whatever that his "infection" was added to the total. And I'm reading about similar incidents in other states on various blogs.
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[Bc'z]

Here's what I'm not grasping.....
AIDS is a virus for which ther is no cure.
But people still have unprotected sexual activity.
Now its Covid-19, which they'll probably never come up with a cure for either, yet everyone is running around with a mask on.
Now I wonder......
How many mask wearing individuals are having unprotected sexual activities??
Just saying

 

[NC308]

I have a good friend that works at a local hospital. The government is paying them like 35,000 dollars for every person that does in their care with COVID-19. So how many of those people are dying of Covid-19!!!??