Normaly i dont do politics here, but this Corona bit mean, but just a flew, politics just use this, specialily left to get it there opiniones right, coming from the Netherlands i see our polititiance lying and use numbers at there advance. Bill Gates once chose a best book, on (how to play the numbers) on the public!! Polititiciance just play all off us!! Remember Ceacar, Divide and Conquir, divide youre people, you will win!! Media does the same with latest police killing, Dont listining to them!!
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Brians356
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From PowerLineBlog:
Germany has been roiled by the leak of a report prepared by government experts that attacks the government’s coronavirus shutdown. The report is here, but unless your German is a great deal better than mine, you can’t read it. A discussion of the report in English is here.
Germany’s federal government and mainstream media are engaged in damage control after a report that challenges the established Corona narrative leaked from the interior ministry.
Some of the report’s key passages are:
* The dangerousness of Covid-19 was overestimated: probably at no point did the danger posed by the new virus go beyond the normal level.
* The people who die from Corona are essentially those who would statistically die this year, because they have reached the end of their lives and their weakened bodies can no longer cope with any random everyday stress (including the approximately 150 viruses currently in circulation).
* Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18.
* The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.
* A reproach could go along these lines: During the Corona crisis the State has proved itself as one of the biggest producers of Fake News.
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The report focuses on the “manifold and heavy consequences of the Corona measures” and warns that these are “grave”.
More people are dying because of state-imposed Corona-measures than they are being killed by the virus.
The reason is a scandal in the making:
A Corona-focused German healthcare system is postponing life-saving surgery and delaying or reducing treatment for non-Corona patients.
I think it is probably true here, too, that there will be more excess deaths resulting from the shutdowns than from the coronavirus itself.
Germany’s government has closed ranks against criticism:
Initially, the government tried to dismiss the report as “the work of one employee”, and its contents as “his own opinion” – while the journalists closed ranks, no questions asked, with the politicians.
But the 93-pages report titled “Analysis of the Crisis Management” has been drafted by a scientific panel appointed by the interior ministry and composed by external medical experts from several German universities.
The report was the initiative of a department of the interior ministry called Unit KM4 and in charge with the “Protection of critical infrastructures”.
More here:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/german-report-blasts-shutdown.php
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Germany has been roiled by the leak of a report prepared by government experts that attacks the government’s coronavirus shutdown. The report is here, but unless your German is a great deal better than mine, you can’t read it. A discussion of the report in English is here.
Germany’s federal government and mainstream media are engaged in damage control after a report that challenges the established Corona narrative leaked from the interior ministry.
Some of the report’s key passages are:
* The dangerousness of Covid-19 was overestimated: probably at no point did the danger posed by the new virus go beyond the normal level.
* The people who die from Corona are essentially those who would statistically die this year, because they have reached the end of their lives and their weakened bodies can no longer cope with any random everyday stress (including the approximately 150 viruses currently in circulation).
* Worldwide, within a quarter of a year, there has been no more than 250,000 deaths from Covid-19, compared to 1.5 million deaths [25,100 in Germany] during the influenza wave 2017/18.
* The danger is obviously no greater than that of many other viruses. There is no evidence that this was more than a false alarm.
* A reproach could go along these lines: During the Corona crisis the State has proved itself as one of the biggest producers of Fake News.
***
The report focuses on the “manifold and heavy consequences of the Corona measures” and warns that these are “grave”.
More people are dying because of state-imposed Corona-measures than they are being killed by the virus.
The reason is a scandal in the making:
A Corona-focused German healthcare system is postponing life-saving surgery and delaying or reducing treatment for non-Corona patients.
I think it is probably true here, too, that there will be more excess deaths resulting from the shutdowns than from the coronavirus itself.
Germany’s government has closed ranks against criticism:
Initially, the government tried to dismiss the report as “the work of one employee”, and its contents as “his own opinion” – while the journalists closed ranks, no questions asked, with the politicians.
But the 93-pages report titled “Analysis of the Crisis Management” has been drafted by a scientific panel appointed by the interior ministry and composed by external medical experts from several German universities.
The report was the initiative of a department of the interior ministry called Unit KM4 and in charge with the “Protection of critical infrastructures”.
More here:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/06/german-report-blasts-shutdown.php
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Err... Note the quotes Jim or did we find it convenient to simply ignore them. Not my words.
New Zealand going back to normal (except for people coming into the country) as they have no known active cases for some time now and also a couple weeks of no cases in any hospitals. Hopefully, we might learn something from it . . .???
I live in NZ. All good here, but nobody says that LOTS of people are unemployed right now, on the dole, because of this corona media. I mean.. LOTS!!!! NZ economy lives off tourism and our doors are closed. I just hope the worst has gone, but don't believe so. Our prime minister is a commie, opened totally her legs to China and the worst of all: banned our AR's!!!
Economy here is not good, not good at all, and the world says that the commie here has done very well... Easy to see just one side of the history.
Economy here is not good, not good at all, and the world says that the commie here has done very well... Easy to see just one side of the history.
Too late for that in the US. But the US doesn't have the ability/opportunity to act as a unified country.
Yes, NZ earns a good deal from tourism - just under 6% of GDP - and that will be hurting for some time. Reopening the border soon with Oz will help a little. But at least the core domestic and exporting economy, the vast majority of the economy - will normalize rapidly. (Never been a fan of Jacinda's economics but there's no doubting her commendable leadership skills.)
In contrast, I'm watching the 7-day moving average case count in Florida tick markedly higher over the last week as things "reopen." And of course demonstrations against racial inequality won't have helped. While unlikely to be the main driver of increased case count they will undoubtedly bear a disproportionate amount of blame. And there's a lot of people up the Eastern seaboard all chomping for the beaches in Miami-Dade to reopen so they can get some sun. They'll either bring COVID with them or take it home.
Grab your Tip Top Trumpet and come on over.
(Always loved the second advertisement.)
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Brians356
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FL has been reopening since mid-April. Of course case counts have increased somewhat, nobody could reasonably claim they wouldn't. The original rationale for lockdown was to "flatten the curve" and prevent overwhelming hospitals, never to prevent new cases. Mission accomplished long ago, pretty much everywhere - at a price:
"German industrial output posted its steepest decline on record in April, plunging 17.9% during the month that saw unprecedented closures of factories and shops due to COVID-19."
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Nah. Down south counties like Miami-Dade / Broward only started towards mid/end May. For example in some parts of Miami-Dade and Broward restaurants were allowed to open May 18 but in others they weren't until May 27. Gyms were allowed to open today here although I don't know of anyone keen to rush on in.
But you are right in that an uptick in infection rates will likely accompany a relaxation of NPI. Healthcare infrastructure was given time to become better prepared (even relatively 'simple' things like determining protocols for intake of infectious patients). Now we'll see how that infrastructure manages as the case count turns upward again. Time to resume processing the sausage meat, er I mean, population at a faster rate.
German figures aren't surprising either in the context of such an event and there will be more headlines of similar nature. Many companies will use the opportunity to push through long-needed reform e.g. BP slashing 15% of its workforce (10k jobs) even as oil rebounds and "accelerating its strategic shift." Never let a good crisis go to waste.
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Brians356
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Florida started opening in mid-April. Otherwise these gals were wringing their hands on 19 April over a different state of "Florida":
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Dude. The statewide "stay at home" order for non-essential businesses wasn't removed until April 30th. Certain areas businesses were allowed to reopen on May 4th. Restaurants in Miami-Dade and Broward were restricted until the dates mentioned above. Public beaches in Miami-Dade remain closed.
saunaking
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I live in the Nelson/Brightwater area January - May. I had to leave March 31st this year our wasn't sure when I would get out. My daughter lives in Auckland, and we discussed what going to level one means (think it happened yesterday). I spent a bit of time in the Queenstown area in March reducing the rabbit population for my daughter's BIL that has a fancy place a bit out of town. I could not believe how dead QT was when I was there, and that was before the shutdown. The last few years you were stomped on by busloads of Chinese everywhere you went. Good luck getting back your economy. Hopefully I will be able to come back in January.
Who'd a thunk?
https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-rare-who
An excerpt:
The spread of coronavirus by people not showing symptoms "appears to be rare," a World Health Organization [WHO] official said Monday.
“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing – they are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward, it’s very rare,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove said during a news briefing. “Much of that is not published in the literature.”
“We’re constantly looking at this data, and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question,” she added. “It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.”
https://www.foxnews.com/science/coronavirus-asymptomatic-spread-rare-who
An excerpt:
The spread of coronavirus by people not showing symptoms "appears to be rare," a World Health Organization [WHO] official said Monday.
“We have a number of reports from countries who are doing very detailed contact tracing – they are following asymptomatic cases, they are following contacts and they are not finding secondary transmission onward, it’s very rare,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove said during a news briefing. “Much of that is not published in the literature.”
“We’re constantly looking at this data, and we’re trying to get more information from countries to truly answer this question,” she added. “It still appears to be rare that an asymptomatic individual actually transmits onward.”
Agreed. Deaths matter (assuming long term illnesses resulting from infections are low i.e. you get over it and you're really all good). Hopefully the healthcare infrastructure is now better equipped to save more lives. At the moment FL is running at about 4% death rate amongst confirmed cases and hopefully that falls. (And of course there will be infections that haven't been tested meaning the actual IFR is lower still.) Given the circa 4-5 week lag we will have to wait to see.
I have friends in Europe who've now been tested positive for antibodies. They distinctly remember the periods when they now believed they likely had the virus. For some it was awful and for others it was like a bad 'flu. In one case it was rather mild (no fever, just body aches, fatigue and loss of smell and taste). They're now somewhat relieved to think they just may now have some immunity. Here's hoping. On the other hand I know others who've died. All were under 60. Odd how it affects some in some ways and others completely differently.
I have friends in Europe who've now been tested positive for antibodies. They distinctly remember the periods when they now believed they likely had the virus. For some it was awful and for others it was like a bad 'flu. In one case it was rather mild (no fever, just body aches, fatigue and loss of smell and taste). They're now somewhat relieved to think they just may now have some immunity. Here's hoping. On the other hand I know others who've died. All were under 60. Odd how it affects some in some ways and others completely differently.
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