Carbon remover
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dmoran
Donovan Moran
OIF/OEF said:
I have a barrel cap with a recessed 1" long, slightly bigger the caliber, hole through it (a bore-guided cap) that screws on to my barrels to the tenon, for cleaning barrels when there off. I like it very much, and prefer to clean my barrels when I do take them off for a swap out. Real easy to give the chamber some extra attention when the barrel is off as well !.!.!
With IOSSO, I recommend to use there Eliminator brushes along with there compatible Triple Action Oil, as per there instructions.
And just my own opinion here, but I do not feel a mop would be effective at all for application, but no doubt aid in removal.
My 2-Cents
Donovan
BoydAllen
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I don't know anyone that takes a barrel off just to facilitate cleaning, but I do have a good way to clean them if I don't have time to clean one before it is taken off.
Years back, Don Nielson made adapters that were threaded in the front to take a barrel,(Mine is set up for a Panda and works for my Viper.) and which have a hole up the middle that is the same diameter as the body of a bolt, to facilitate the use of a cleaning rod guide like you would normally use to clean a rifle. I picked mine up from an estate sale. It is about 8" long, about the diameter of a typical round action, and is made from Delrin. I find it very handy for cleaning barrels that are off the rifle.
As far as the mop goes, I think that a nylon brush would do a much better job. Donovan and I prefer different brushes, but we both use nylon, and the cleaning that we do is not the same because of powders used and calibers. What it comes down to is that I started using IOSSO a long time before he did which was before there were stiffer brushes and IOSSO had come out with their oil, and have not changed....because what I do works well for me. I see no problem at all in following current directions with current materials. Either way take your time, and use careful rod technique, and a good rod guide, all of which are good points to remember for any barrel cleaning operation, no matter what material is being used.
Years back, Don Nielson made adapters that were threaded in the front to take a barrel,(Mine is set up for a Panda and works for my Viper.) and which have a hole up the middle that is the same diameter as the body of a bolt, to facilitate the use of a cleaning rod guide like you would normally use to clean a rifle. I picked mine up from an estate sale. It is about 8" long, about the diameter of a typical round action, and is made from Delrin. I find it very handy for cleaning barrels that are off the rifle.
As far as the mop goes, I think that a nylon brush would do a much better job. Donovan and I prefer different brushes, but we both use nylon, and the cleaning that we do is not the same because of powders used and calibers. What it comes down to is that I started using IOSSO a long time before he did which was before there were stiffer brushes and IOSSO had come out with their oil, and have not changed....because what I do works well for me. I see no problem at all in following current directions with current materials. Either way take your time, and use careful rod technique, and a good rod guide, all of which are good points to remember for any barrel cleaning operation, no matter what material is being used.
There is something here with the boiling water. When I clean brass with SS media, I use hot water to soften the carbon so that the SS pins can more easily rub the carbon off. This of course is not the powder stuff but the hard carbon that is sitting in the primer pocket. So a big vote for boiling hot water!
Link
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"He was shooting that lot of surplus 8208 called T powder, and I was using 133, which is very clean and does not require the use of abrasives to keep barrels clean."
What does anyone think of the LT32 powder as far as carbon buildup ?
How would a reamer for that chamber work for cleanup ?
Do you think some shooters rechamber or buy a new tube when all they need to do is clean ?
So many questions ! thanks Link
What does anyone think of the LT32 powder as far as carbon buildup ?
How would a reamer for that chamber work for cleanup ?
Do you think some shooters rechamber or buy a new tube when all they need to do is clean ?
So many questions ! thanks Link
I think the "secret" cleaning procedure that smiths charge for involves taking the barrel off, putting it chamber down in a big pot of water, boil it for 30 min and then just scrape the “loose†carbon right off. You think I am joking but maybe not if you think about it a bit more….mikecr said:
I can take my barrel off my AI AT in 1 min to do this…. And another min to reinstall.
BoydAllen
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As is usual, this discussion has confused powder fouling, which is relatively easy to remove with a bronze brush and solvent, with hard carbon that no solvent that I am aware of will touch. It also is complicated by the high probability that many of those that have responded may not have bore scopes.
As I sit here having reread the last of Donovan's posts, wondering why he found softer brushes ineffective with IOSSO, when I have (given that we both have bore scopes) the thought occurs to me that perhaps it is because of a difference in how the IOSSO is applied to the brush. The method that I use came to me from a account of how Tony Boyer would use it in which he said that he filled the entire brush with IOSSO, not just putting some on the tops of the bristles, but actually filling the brush from the core out to cover their tips, which takes quite a lot of material. A friend, who also has a bore scope, stores his IOSSO brush (for a particular caliber) in a plastic tube and does not remove the remaining IOSSO after he has used the brush for that purpose, in order not to have to use so much material. This works fine for him, and I may pick up a close fitting tube for that purpose. The most recent case of my using IOSSO for hard carbon was for a friends .20 caliber varmint rifle. It I worked the back of the barrel with short strokes, reversing the brush in the bore, and was able to remove the hard carbon without any difficulty. The barrel had been thouroughly cleaned using conventional materials and methods before hand, and inspected before and after I cleaned it with a bore scope,so I have no doubt about the results. In any case, having not used the harder brushes for this purpose, I cannot comment on any difference in their action, but I am pretty sure that IOSSO would not recommend anything that caused any sort of a problem. When Harder nylon brushes first came out, the thought was that they could be used instead of bronze brushes for general, solvent based bore maintenance. Even though I do not think that bronze brushes are a problem in that way, out of curiosity, I gave them a try, and found that for me, they were not as good as bronze, for use with liquid solvents. Others may have had different experiences. I believe that the brushes that I tried did not come from IOSSO (I believe that it was before they started offering them.) , but that has been a long time ago. One other variable in this is the amount of hard carbon that I normally have to deal with. Because I regularly inspect my barrels, and most of my shooting is with relatively clean powders in a 6PPC or small capacity varmint cartridges, my cleaning problems have probably not been as great as those who shoot different powders in larger cases, and have to deal with customers', rifles which may have a bigger problem because they have been neglected. Bottom line, I have no quarrel with anyone else's methods, but rather have only related mine, how they came to be, and the results that I have gotten. If I were starting fresh today, I would undoubtedly have simply read the manufacturer's instructions and followed them.
As I sit here having reread the last of Donovan's posts, wondering why he found softer brushes ineffective with IOSSO, when I have (given that we both have bore scopes) the thought occurs to me that perhaps it is because of a difference in how the IOSSO is applied to the brush. The method that I use came to me from a account of how Tony Boyer would use it in which he said that he filled the entire brush with IOSSO, not just putting some on the tops of the bristles, but actually filling the brush from the core out to cover their tips, which takes quite a lot of material. A friend, who also has a bore scope, stores his IOSSO brush (for a particular caliber) in a plastic tube and does not remove the remaining IOSSO after he has used the brush for that purpose, in order not to have to use so much material. This works fine for him, and I may pick up a close fitting tube for that purpose. The most recent case of my using IOSSO for hard carbon was for a friends .20 caliber varmint rifle. It I worked the back of the barrel with short strokes, reversing the brush in the bore, and was able to remove the hard carbon without any difficulty. The barrel had been thouroughly cleaned using conventional materials and methods before hand, and inspected before and after I cleaned it with a bore scope,so I have no doubt about the results. In any case, having not used the harder brushes for this purpose, I cannot comment on any difference in their action, but I am pretty sure that IOSSO would not recommend anything that caused any sort of a problem. When Harder nylon brushes first came out, the thought was that they could be used instead of bronze brushes for general, solvent based bore maintenance. Even though I do not think that bronze brushes are a problem in that way, out of curiosity, I gave them a try, and found that for me, they were not as good as bronze, for use with liquid solvents. Others may have had different experiences. I believe that the brushes that I tried did not come from IOSSO (I believe that it was before they started offering them.) , but that has been a long time ago. One other variable in this is the amount of hard carbon that I normally have to deal with. Because I regularly inspect my barrels, and most of my shooting is with relatively clean powders in a 6PPC or small capacity varmint cartridges, my cleaning problems have probably not been as great as those who shoot different powders in larger cases, and have to deal with customers', rifles which may have a bigger problem because they have been neglected. Bottom line, I have no quarrel with anyone else's methods, but rather have only related mine, how they came to be, and the results that I have gotten. If I were starting fresh today, I would undoubtedly have simply read the manufacturer's instructions and followed them.
The most accomplished competitors I know clean at the end of an agg using Iosso on a tight fitting patch immediately after coming off the line on the last match while the barrel is still warm. The patch is short-stroked dozens of times from the throat to the first few inches of barrel and eventually pushed through the muzzle. This is after the barrel has been cleaned using bore solvent and a bronze brush. Yes they all have borescopes. No they do not remove the brush for each pass. Carbon gets more difficult to remove with time. Take a just fired case and you can remove the carbon soot on the neck by just wiping with your fingers. Take brass that has been fired months or years ago and you have to use steel wool to remove it.
Quote from BoydAllen:
The most recent case of my using IOSSO for hard carbon was for a friends .20 caliber varmint rifle. It I worked the back of the barrel with short strokes, reversing the brush in the bore, and was able to remove the hard carbon without any difficult
I thought reversing a brush in the bore was a not normal practice to say the least.
John H.
The most recent case of my using IOSSO for hard carbon was for a friends .20 caliber varmint rifle. It I worked the back of the barrel with short strokes, reversing the brush in the bore, and was able to remove the hard carbon without any difficult
I thought reversing a brush in the bore was a not normal practice to say the least.
John H.
CaptainMal
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Second Boyd's opinion. Nylon brushes. Iosso even markets a nylon brush for their bore paste.
dmoran
Donovan Moran
As per IOSSO's instructions, from a Triple Action oiled bore and with the stiffer nylon/plastic Eliminator type brush, is what I see works the best to "hard carbon layer" and "carbon rings", and is my recommendation.
My way is to clean the bulk of the fouling out of the barrels conventionally, then ending with a IOSSO process.
Six or so short scrubbing strokes at chamber-end and throat, then again 6 more or so with the first 10 inches or so of the barrel. Then longer working outward strokes working down and out the barrel (of say 2 strokes per 1" coverage) is how I do it.
I don't need to spend much time scrubbing with IOSSO as long as most all the bulk powder/primer and soft carbon fouling is already been cleaned out. And I only apply a sparingly amount (one good dab) on the brush, as per the instructions. Ending by taking do care to its removal, making sure I have all its residue out (which takes a little extra time and extra patches).
I clean all barrels with my IOSSO process every time I clean a barrel, and swear to its carbon prevention capability when used at finish every time.
mr45man - dually noted from me for bronze brushes......
Donovan
My way is to clean the bulk of the fouling out of the barrels conventionally, then ending with a IOSSO process.
Six or so short scrubbing strokes at chamber-end and throat, then again 6 more or so with the first 10 inches or so of the barrel. Then longer working outward strokes working down and out the barrel (of say 2 strokes per 1" coverage) is how I do it.
I don't need to spend much time scrubbing with IOSSO as long as most all the bulk powder/primer and soft carbon fouling is already been cleaned out. And I only apply a sparingly amount (one good dab) on the brush, as per the instructions. Ending by taking do care to its removal, making sure I have all its residue out (which takes a little extra time and extra patches).
I clean all barrels with my IOSSO process every time I clean a barrel, and swear to its carbon prevention capability when used at finish every time.
mr45man - dually noted from me for bronze brushes......
Donovan
Ok, I've give my barrel a scrub with JB while I understand that patches will always come out black due to the polishing effect it has on the barrel, how do you tell if you've got the carbon out?? I should add that I've not got a bore scope.
Thanks again to all who've contributed to this post it's been interesting.
Thanks again to all who've contributed to this post it's been interesting.
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