Quick Rifle Cleaning Question

[JMayo]

Before and after ....i give up....

 

[tsyarnall]

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Before and after ....i give up....

Well first, I am what the Army doctors termed as “Shade Blind”. So I don’t see things the same way that others see them. To me, I see a big improvement from your first photo to the second. There may be some cracking and signs of having lots of rounds down the pipe, but I think you have done a good job of removing the carbon and copper from your barrel. JMHO

 

[INTJ]

Ya, I always brush after initial patching. The abrasives are basically an unknown for me. I've only done it once to an F-TR barrel that I only half arse cleaned thru out the season, and didn't yet have a bore scope. I remember that the patches following came out grey for hours! I don't really know what was going on there. It was JB.

Can you guys that use JB or another abrasive tell me what your procedure is? I'd like to do it at the end of every 'TR season...and hit some of my LR Hunting rigs that have several hundred rounds thru them.

Thanks!

1. A couple patches of Iosso penetrating oil

2. Iosso bore paste on the Iosso hard nylon brushes, short stroking through the barrel, then a dozen or so full length strokes

3. A couple more patches of Iosso penetrating oil

4. Pull the bore guide and patch out the cleaning residue out of the chamber

5. Reinstall the bore guide and push patches of isopropyl alcohol though the bore until they are mostly clean

6. Pull the bore guide and clean the lug recess, then clean the chamber again

7. One careful final pass through the chamber and bore without the bore guide

8. Clean and lube the bolt


You can substitute JB on bronze brushes for Iosso on their hard nylon brushes. Usually takes a couple of applications of JB vs one for Iosso.

 

[Dave Way]

 

[Alex Wheeler]

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Bingo!!!!!

 

[yukonal]

Are you two saying...JB on a bronze brush? Or, just scrub like crazy with the brush alone? Thanks!

 

[Alex Wheeler]

Im saying a bronze brush used at every cleaning with a good solvent will prevent this. Now that you have a build up jb will probably be needed. I use one size smaller nylon brush with a patch around it to jb.

 

[yukonal]

OK, thanks.

Yep, been scrubbing solvent with bronze after every range session, or match all my life. Hawkeye still shows a little carbon (and sometimes a bit of copper) about 3" ahead of the throat. That's what I want to work on.

I wonder if that is some crud that is welded on there from years ago, when clean patches used to fool me.

 

[INTJ]

OK, thanks.

Yep, been scrubbing solvent with bronze after every range session, or match all my life. Hawkeye still shows a little carbon (and sometimes a bit of copper) about 3" ahead of the throat. That's what I want to work on.

I wonder if that is some crud that is welded on there from years ago, when clean patches used to fool me.

Iosso on their hard nylon will get it off. JB will as well, but I have found JB works better on a tight fitting bronze brush. It usually takes two applications of JB to equal one with Iosso.

After the first 100 rounds, I don't recommend using Iosso every cleaning. Most of the time I use a bronze brush with a carbon cutter, then chase it with a little KG-12 copper cutter.

 

[yukonal]

Thanks for the info on using abrasive cleaners. I'll give it a go.

 

[INTJ]

Thanks for the info on using abrasive cleaners. I'll give it a go.

Also, make sure you get all the abrasive cleaned out. If find Iosso cleans out a little easier than JB.

 

[calgarycanada]

Don’t go too crazy with abrasives. Polished bores accumulate fouling lot more. I have come to conclusion that for me, barrel cleaning with abrasives down to bare metal is only needed once at end of season (approx 1000 rounds in 308).
Little bit of carbon in corners is not going to hurt anything, just don’t let it build up in thick layers.

 

[klamathsteel]

Is the Iosso product you guys are talking about the ThorroClean ?

 

[INTJ]

Is the Iosso product you guys are talking about the ThorroClean ?

Bore Cleaner

NEW BIO-Based Formula. Highly effective concentrated paste formula that lasts longer and takes less time to clean with than ordinary liquid or aerosol type cleaners.

iosso.com

 

[JMayo]

I wonder if it an L or an i...
I think i ..Lmao
i just know what it is from asking and seeing.
Like tooth paste, not allot
smear it on a patch from dots placed, i dampen the patch with k1 or #9. It'll transfer on to the next couple of wet patches also. It's a mess but works well.
No matter how clean the barrel is it'll still come out gray goo.

 

[yukonal]

That's what I've seen. What's your routine for cleaning out the Iosso? Wet kroil, followed by dry, then wet Kroil again until...

Eventually the patches will come out perfectly clean, correct? Thanks again!

 

[INTJ]

That's what I've seen. What's your routine for cleaning out the Iosso? Wet kroil, followed by dry, then wet Kroil again until...

Eventually the patches will come out perfectly clean, correct? Thanks again!

Iosso says to use their penetrating oil before and after their bore paste. I have also used isopropyl alcohol. I think even water would work eventually. I think the penetrating oils probably work the fastest.

 

[LHSmith]

That's what I've seen. What's your routine for cleaning out the Iosso? Wet kroil, followed by dry, then wet Kroil again until...

Eventually the patches will come out perfectly clean, correct? Thanks again!

Bronze brush saturated with BBS, 3 passes, 2 dry patches, finish with saturated patch with Butches Oil. When ready to shoot again, loose patch to remove excess oil. I won't use Kroil as it gets gummy-just look at the top of the Kroil can.

 

[AckleymanII]

Wedgy, A penetrating oil called Free All is a Modern Product that has some chemical properties that can actually attack carbon, you will throw away your Kroil...no kidding.

Bore scope, where is is? You may have verified your process already, and I apologize if that is the case.

Bronze bristle brushes, buy in bulk, use 50 strokes, then use the brush with patch/JB or ? on it, throw away often. We need a vendor to sell bronze bristle brushes in 120 count boxes.

I use a product called Montana extreme Copper cream instead of JB, on patches, prior to using Patches with JB on used brushes...miracle stuff for tough R#15/XBR 8208/Varget fouling.

The issue with carbon fouling is having a constant amount. Carbon builds up on carbon fast, and it will get so hard that only significant abrasives will get it out.

Free All penetrating oil is a game changer with a good brush.

Beware of abrasives, they can open the throat dia and length of leade, use sparingly....again, sparingly. I hate surprises.

Context in cleaning is important, mine is 30 rounds in a 308 winchester, Krieger barrel. 8 rounds on a 6 ppc maybe dramatically less dramatic than my application.

Bottom line, Brushes are over used. Change brushes often, use lemon water or Kerosene. For plastic Brush users, check the Coefficient of Friction of plastic on steel in the machinist manual...get ready for a shock.

 

[Kracken McGraw]

I was cleaning one last night kinda regular deal on good barrel, penatrating oil; carb-out; accelerator wipe-out; naphtha in between; all this on patches and stroked some. Thought it was perfectly clean and decided to pull out the Teslong. Nope some serious copper streaks on a few of the lands. AckleymanII is right, don’t skip the brush. Went back and did this and patches with Wipe-out and Accelerator, could have painted a golf ball blue!