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California Shooters - What Will You Do if Newsom Measure Passes?

I love the NRA, they actually have a pair:

"The United States doesn’t generally punish or penalize people unless and until they have been charged and convicted of a crime. In this case, the government would be infringing on a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution—and yes, like it or not, the right to buy a gun is a constitutional right according to the U.S. Supreme Court.”




Ray
 
Hillary would arm the enemy (Syrians) and wonder why our weapons are now being used on our own troops in Iraq, we don't need a POTUS that will arm the enemy..Hillary is also on board with Syrian refugees, I would also assume after a couple Syrian terror attacks she would be open for more 2nd amendment restrictions like Barack Hussein Obama.. Nothing emboldens the enemies resolve like that of a POTUS attacking the defenses from within..

Smelling a dirty RAT in the house



Ray
 
That sums it nicely. Who are these 47k of suspected terrorists? How did they get here? Were the vetted just like the sign language guy in south Africa?
 
raythemanroe said:
I love the NRA, they actually have a pair:

"The United States doesn’t generally punish or penalize people unless and until they have been charged and convicted of a crime. In this case, the government would be infringing on a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution—and yes, like it or not, the right to buy a gun is a constitutional right according to the U.S. Supreme Court.”

What will the NRA do about this proposed CA laws or any similar laws that bit by bit eat into our 2nd Amend rights?

NOTHING!

They are a lobbying group spending money in campaigns which does not require much effort.

They will not fight in the courts since they do not have the skill or talent or will or patience to do so. They need to be as committed to the 2Amend as the ACLU is to the 1st.
 
WOW WOW WOW JRS Then I'm sure you have the answer? I am a Life Endowment. Member of the N.R.A. So I guess we all Vote for Trump, he doesn't take money from anyone. Like I have said if you have a N.Y. CC permit or can pass everything like I had to you should be able to own what ever you want, and carry were ever. And if it wasn't for the N.R.A. you won't even be on a gun forum, let alone own a gun.

Joe Salt
 
Question, if the 47,000 are here on visa's and they are not legal residents, how can they buy guns?
Am I missing something?
LitLBoy
 
LitLBoy you are in the same boat as the rest of us. When you come into this country you shouldn't have those rights until you prove yourself as a good person. And that takes years as far as I'm concerned.
JRS they weren't any help with the Unsafe Act as I remember. Its still there, and that is what we are all trying to say PIC PIC PIC Till its all gone.


Joe Salt
 
Koch brothers donate to Republicans, so they must be evil like Harry Reid told you how to think.. Unlike Hillary's Islamist donators right, they don't want nothing from the money they donate right? JRS, Do you use a straw to swallow Harry Reid's BS?


Ray
 
You better hope and prey that Trump becomes the next President of the US 8).

I have no intentions of arguing with any fools either, my opinions are my own. If you don't like it, I don't care!
 
Changeling said:
You better hope and prey that Trump becomes the next President of the US 8).

I have no intentions of arguing with any fools either, my opinions are my own. If you don't like it, I don't care!
I don't think we have to worry about Trump becoming president. The establishment Republicans are plotting as we speak to figure out a way to broker him out of the nomination at the convention should he win the nomination. Should he survive the convention it would pretty much guarantee the White House to Hillary Clinton. Ray
 
"As long as you adhere to the 2 party ( Democrat and Republican) rule, you will never again realize or experience: of the people, by the people, and for the people".

I suspect this is the same for pounding the Liberal talking points


You could be a MSNBC pundit



Ray
 
I am the OP, and was rather shocked to see so many responses. I am happy to see a robust dialogue, even if it has gone away from the question of how one manages their shooting hobby with the proposed ammo restrictions.

For those talking about lobbying the legislature and such, this measure offers no such opportunity. This is strictly a ballot initiative, not legislation that lawmakers have anything to do with. Meaning that it will be a proposition on the ballot (assuming sufficient signatures are secured and verified to qualify for the ballot). This approach eliminates any potential lobbying of politicians by the NRA or anyone else. You would have to lobby the voters, and here in CA, I don't think that will work. CA voters will likely vote for anything "anti-gun" and the prevailing wisdom is that CA voters will pass the initiative. If passed by the voters, the only thing to possibly stop it is if the measure is challenged in court and we win. I am not optimistic about that given past history.

So, if we lose, just HOW will you get your hands on 6mmBR brass, or specialty bullets, the ones the local gun shop does not stock, or may not even want to special order for you? Does your 6mmBR or variant now become a 15 lb. club?

For those saying, just move out of CA, I agree. But not all of us can, for various reasons. Or at a very great price that may unacceptable even in the face of outrageous gun laws.

I wish there was a way to "win" in CA, since if one state, like New York, pushes the boundaries of laws successfully, then other states will follow, and then after being tested in the courts, will come to pass at the Federal level (with a Democrat president). In that sense, fighting hard and winning in the courts at the state level is crucial. Unfortunately, we are losing. If the courts agree with draconian laws, then what recourse is there?

Since many seem to be at their wits ends, I expect many people will just disobey the law(s). Many are. I cannot confirm but have heard that Los Angeles' ban on 11+ round mags has resulted in ZERO mags being turned in law enforcement. Some may really have been destroyed or shipped out of state, but I expect precious few have.

So what now? Going back to my 6mmBR example, what happens to a new BR shooter wanting to shoot 6mmBR? Just how will he get that brass? Adhering to the law (if brass is included as ammo) would mean that an authorized ammo dealer would have to order it for you. Will gun shops do that? If not, and you want to be legal, that new shooter will not be shooting 6mmBR. To say nothing of live ammo in some odd caliber.

Phil
 
Here in Massachusetts we have needed a "permit" to buy ammo or components for a number of years. You need to attend a minimum 4 hour safety training course, pay $100 for a 5 year "Firearms Identification Card" or an LTC. These are issued by the local chief of police. The FID only allows the purchase of rifles and shotguns and loaded ammo and components. The LTC is available in an A and B version. The "A" allows concealed carry and "B" is only for home protection and transport in a locked container within the vehicle. Lots of other issues with FID, LTCA and LTCB regarding magazine capacity, where and how you can use the firearm , etc. Very confusing

http://goal.org/masslawpages/classaandbdifference.html

All ammo must be purchased face to face. NO MAIL ORDER. This is a huge inconvenience to reloaders as there are very few gun shops in Massachusetts that sell components. And the ones that do have extremely limited selection.

Pray this doesn't find its way into your state.......
 
Just about the same thing here in New York, but there is a letter out supposedly from Cumo for repeal of the no ammo shipping part of the NY Safe Act. The State Police can't keep up with the current law. Then we have Concealed Weapons permits that vary by the county they are issued in. In Nassau and Suffolk the permits are stamped Sportsman and that is a full carry in any county except New York City, Nassau and Suffolk. In Nassau and Suffolk, you can carry concealed and loaded on the way to and from the range, so everyone goes to the range a couple of times a day. Drive to Duchess, Orange or all the other counties and carry as an unrestricted full carry. So not it is not only the state that you live in, but the county, the township and the village as the Village of Sag Harbor has a new firearms control law before the town council.

Bob
 
We just found out that those of us that shoot Cowboy Action in NY can not use a lever action rifle that has a magazine capacity over 10 rounds......Any firearm with a 10+ round magazine, either fixed or removable, is illegal........Or if it can easily be modified to 10+ rounds (Remington 870, 1100-, Mossberg 500, etc) it is also not allowed....This is a huge issue for the upcoming CAS season.
 
The NRA, like the Republican party has its issues but they both share one attribute...... they are the best you're going to do. There is no way that any other organization is going to match their reach or effectiveness. So.......please pay your dues to the NRA, and hold your nose and vote "R".
 

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