big money on ations...

[butchlambert]

Funny stuff.
Some of you sound like the Porsche owners on the performance car forums.....

Yes, If you have quality you post it. I had a Savach rifle and it was a good shooting hunting rifle, though very ugly. If they were BR good you would see them all over the firing line. Reminds me of the shooter that shoots the 30-30. He has a very excellent shooting rifle. He ain't a winner or consistent winner. Until they get a safe 1.5oz trigger, they are farting in the wind.

 

[bozo699]

Funny stuff.
Some of you sound like the Porsche owners on the performance car forums.....

Yes, If you have quality you post it. I had a Savach rifle and it was a good shooting hunting rifle, though very ugly. If they were BR good you would see them all over the firing line. Reminds me of the shooter that shoots the 30-30. He has a very excellent shooting rifle. He ain't a winner or consistent winner. Until they get a safe 1.5oz trigger, they are farting in the wind.

Way funny right there and way true!
Wayne.

 

[Hombre0321]

SSS time and true runs around $150 if I remember correctly. After Fred worked them, I can lift my bolts with the top of my index finger. Quick, light, and smooth. Savage triggers can't get light enough for BR.

Could I spend triple for another action? Yes. Would it triple my X's? Nope.

Can I screw a sporter 243 barrel onto a BAT and slip it into a composite stock to go shoot coyotes, come home and swap it back to an F/TR contender for a match the next morning?

I like my Savages for what they are and don't pretend that they are any more or less.

Don't know why you couldn't do that. My switch barrel rifles a barrel change takes two minutes, yea thats right 120 seconds. Much easier than any Savage I think and I own both.

Roland

 

[madderg]

just as a little reminder...Team Savage Takes National Title, Breaks 1,000-yard Record

This list of long-range events Team Savage has won recently is getting almost as long as the distances they shoot at.

They recently added the 2010 F T/R National Championship to that list by taking the team competition in grand fashion. The won both the 600 and 1,000 yard events, establishing an new 1,000-yard record of 778-21X.

Darrell Buell of Damascus, OR; John Weil of Welches, OR; Monte Milanuk of Wenatchee WA and Stan Pate of Milwaukie, OR made the trip to Sacramento, CA to represent Savage Arms. The competition featured some of the best talent and most expensive custom rifles from around the Country. But, once again, those expensive custom guns were no match for four skilled marksmen armed with stock Savage Model 12 rifles.

"We continue to be thrilled with the winning results from Team Savage. It says a lot about them and it says a lot about the rifles," Savage VP of Sales & Marketing Brian Herrick said. "We're not trying to tell anybody that they can just buy a Savage and shoot like Darrell, John, Monte and Stan, but it should be fairly obvious by now that shooting stock Savage rifles isn't holding these guys back at all."

 

[butchlambert]

Gary, Was that 2010? Great shooting, but what has happened in the last 3 years?

 

[madderg]

I've never thought that much about Savage barrels... that's why all my barrels are Kreiger or Pac-Nor . I think once the cartridge is delivered into the chamber of the barrel, the action takes a holiday until the round is ejected and a new one inserted. Imagine what that Savage team could do if they all had Kreiger barrels??

 

[LHSmith]

I think once the cartridge is delivered into the chamber of the barrel, the action takes a holiday until the round is ejected and a new one inserted.

Yeah, you can think that....but you would be sooo wrong in that assumption.

 

[LHSmith]

Imagine what that Savage team could do if they all had Kreiger barrels??

There ARE other disciplines besides F/TR where one can certainly shoot aftermarket barrels.

 

[madderg]

Why?? if the action is true, and the threads are matched...the bedding top-shelf and the stock equal to the task what would be the difference?

 

[A j shooter]

This past 6 months I have built 2 fine rifles...one on a Savage target action, one on a top of the line custom action. Both barrels are Kreigers, and both chambers are cut with the same reamer. both have custom stocks I made. both are in 30 BR. After many trips to the range I can tell you that the Savage shots as good or better than the custom action. No one was more surprised then I was. The ammo was exactly the same, as was the preps and all powder was weighed with the same loads and bullets...This does not say that custom actions are not great, just that Savage actions are right there with them..who would have thought??It's nice to know that you can spent half the money and get the same result, except that the custom action is so tight that ANYTHING getting into it will lock the bolt. I will update as this progresses.

Boy did you stur up a hornets nest. 😬

 

[madderg]

Boy did you stur up a hornets nest. 😬
« Last Edit: Today at 07:57 PM by A j shooter »
Fun stuff...gets the gray cells smokin'...

 

[broncman]

Oh yea.... F Class and FT/R are just pigs in competition costumes.
Remember, if you dont shoot BR, you are second rate competitor....

This can go on and on.

Savage won 2012 FT/R championship..just so you didnt catch that earlier Butch

.. ;D

 

[butchlambert]

FClass and FTR are very big part of this.

 

[broncman]

Just having some fun...

Liking a Savage reminds me of the Planet of the Apes movie where the ape was going to kiss the human guy...and she says..


"but your so DAMN UGLY!"

Savage sure has nothing in the looks department....

 

[kelbro]

Savage sure has nothing in the looks department....

Big girls need lovin' too

 

[LHSmith]

Why?? if the action is true, and the threads are matched...the bedding top-shelf and the stock equal to the task what would be the difference?

So, we are talking Savage actions that have been trued? I really doubt those F/TR shooters won with Savages just pulled off the line.
The differences could be one action machined true to the extent the bolt is always at the same precise position while in battery, and threaded to the barrel with near perfect concentricity, firing pin vibration that is precisely consistent shot to shot, action flex (customs tend to be more rigid), bolt compression, action harmonics...some claim aluminum actions dampen vibrations better ( which may be why Panda's are the winningest action in short range BR), receivers adaptable to premium grade triggers which permit pull weights in ounces.....and intangibles which one cannot explain such as taking two identical actions and sometimes one will shoot better than the other...even with the same barrel.

 

[madderg]

Why?? if the action is true, and the threads are matched...the bedding top-shelf and the stock equal to the task what would be the difference?

So, we are talking Savage actions that have been trued? I really doubt those F/TR shooters won with Savages just pulled off the line.
The differences could be one action machined true to the extent the bolt is always at the same precise position while in battery, and threaded to the barrel with near perfect concentricity, firing pin vibration that is precisely consistent shot to shot, action flex (customs tend to be more rigid), bolt compression, action harmonics...some claim aluminum actions dampen vibrations better ( which may be why Panda's are the winningest action in short range BR), receivers adaptable to premium grade triggers which permit pull weights in ounces.....and intangibles which one cannot explain such as taking two identical actions and sometimes one will shoot better than the other...even with the same barrel.

An aluminum bedding block also works to dampen vibrations, as does a small 2X2 square of the right sized closed cell foam pad under the barrel at the last 2 inches of the stock. The Savage action rifles the team was using where "out of the box"

 

[butchlambert]

Gary,
I believe an aluminum bedding block may be a determinant to ultimate accuracy.

 

[bozo699]

Why?? if the action is true, and the threads are matched...the bedding top-shelf and the stock equal to the task what would be the difference?

So, we are talking Savage actions that have been trued? I really doubt those F/TR shooters won with Savages just pulled off the line.
The differences could be one action machined true to the extent the bolt is always at the same precise position while in battery, and threaded to the barrel with near perfect concentricity, firing pin vibration that is precisely consistent shot to shot, action flex (customs tend to be more rigid), bolt compression, action harmonics...some claim aluminum actions dampen vibrations better ( which may be why Panda's are the winningest action in short range BR), receivers adaptable to premium grade triggers which permit pull weights in ounces.....and intangibles which one cannot explain such as taking two identical actions and sometimes one will shoot better than the other...even with the same barrel.

An aluminum bedding block also works to dampen vibrations, as does a small 2X2 square of the right sized closed cell foam pad under the barrel at the last 2 inches of the stock. The Savage action rifles the team was using where "out of the box"

You can believe that if you want to, I own several br Savages and they shoot well but there in no class with my Customs, I don't believe that for one minute and neither does any intelligent person on this forum.
Wayne

 

[DJ111]

I've had a few savage actions with the full treatment and you will end up with 1100-1150 dollars in them. SSS T&T with evo trigger, PT&G oversize bolt body, SSS bolt handle, gre-tan bushed firing pin, farrel base. Yes with the evo trigger (has lighter firing pin spring than standard savage) the bolt lift is as light as a Bat and they are pretty smooth since the action was reamed for the new bolt body so it was tight like a custom. The trigger still ends up at about 4 oz for it to be safe and be able to gun your shots down fast without tripping the sear. Yes they shot well, and it would be competitive in F-Class and also somewhat competitive in 600 and 1000 yard shooting.

I would not even try to use a Stock Savage and plan on going into the benchrest game and being competitive..

Now before the custom side screams BS about bolt lift I have had Bats also and Borden.

Now...reason for sale you say? Why to replace them with a custom to shoot 600 yard IBS. The trigger is the down fall and after you get them modded you are only 3-400 dollars short of the custom with a trigger and scope base. Think I sold the savage actions for about 800 bucks where I have used a Bat for a season and sold it as a stocked action for what I had into it componet cost wise and did not loose a dime, only my labor.

With that said If you are going to actually dedicate your time and effort and be within such such a close price range why would you want to go through the headache and deal with the wait time for the action work and still end up with a trigger that is not really even close to a Jewell and this is what will set them apart in the short range BR game.

Shooting IBS match costs, components, driving; I will go with the best equipment I feel I need to shoot and be competitive. But just because you buy a custom action you still need to have (all) of the right equipment to go with it or you will be pissing in the wind!

Bench Rest shooting is just like racing....it takes money and time if you want to make it to the top! And I would not ever think about going to a race to run around in the back!

And for what it is worth here is my Borden Rimrock plug.....TRIGGER TIMMING IS SUPERB!!!!

My two cents take or leave it.

Dallas Johnson