big money on ations...

[gunnermhr]

There is no comparison between BAT and Savage, never has been and never will be. Workmanship, fit, smoothness, finish, tolerance, beauty and yes, unfortunately cost. I have never heard of someone upgrading by selling their BAT or any other custom action and getting a Savage. My first build was a Remington action, it shoots great and I like it a lot, but it doesn't compare to any of the BAT's I have.

Is Savage and Remington Junk, absolutely not. Both have great qualities, Remington’s are a great way to get into benchrest without the cost of a custom action, Savage is great for the guy that wants to do it yourself build. Both can be very very accurate.

In the end, I have found people that prefer or make excuses that top notch action makers are not any better than an off the shelf action simply don't want to spend the money in the first place. I have never once sat at a bench beside a Savage or Remington and looked at it as substandard, so please don't look at my BAT and say how much money I wasted.

 

[bozo699]

There is no comparison between BAT and Savage, never has been and never will be. Workmanship, fit, smoothness, finish, tolerance, beauty and yes, unfortunately cost. I have never heard of someone upgrading by selling their BAT or any other custom action and getting a Savage. My first build was a Remington action, it shoots great and I like it a lot, but it doesn't compare to any of the BAT's I have.

Is Savage and Remington Junk, absolutely not. Both have great qualities, Remington’s are a great way to get into benchrest without the cost of a custom action, Savage is great for the guy that wants to do it yourself build. Both can be very very accurate.

In the end, I have found people that prefer or make excuses that top notch action makers are not any better than an off the shelf action simply don't want to spend the money in the first place. I have never once sat at a bench beside a Savage or Remington and looked at it as substandard, so please don't look at my BAT and say how much money I wasted.

100% spot on!
Wayne.

 

[Nodak7mm]

Lol... Been trying to figure out how to say that same thing in a respectful tone all morning....

Rod

There is no comparison between BAT and Savage, never has been and never will be. Workmanship, fit, smoothness, finish, tolerance, beauty and yes, unfortunately cost. I have never heard of someone upgrading by selling their BAT or any other custom action and getting a Savage. My first build was a Remington action, it shoots great and I like it a lot, but it doesn't compare to any of the BAT's I have.

Is Savage and Remington Junk, absolutely not. Both have great qualities, Remington’s are a great way to get into benchrest without the cost of a custom action, Savage is great for the guy that wants to do it yourself build. Both can be very very accurate.

In the end, I have found people that prefer or make excuses that top notch action makers are not any better than an off the shelf action simply don't want to spend the money in the first place. I have never once sat at a bench beside a Savage or Remington and looked at it as substandard, so please don't look at my BAT and say how much money I wasted.

 

[ChuckMiller]

Good comparison, but it just seems to support what many say that the action has a lot less to do with the finished result than a lot of guys would like to admit. Might explain why a guy can show up at a long range match and smoke the customs with a blueprinted Rem 700.

 

[BoydAllen]

One little correction, at the top level of benchrest competition, it is not this or that. It is this and that and that ...etc. Everything matters to one degree or another, and this makes it difficult to separate out individual components and make comparisons. If a fellow who is in better tune, and does a better job of reading conditions beats someone with more expensive equipment, it does not prove that the more expensive equipment does not work better. But if this happens all the time, on the same relays, then perhaps conclusions can be drawn. Answer me this. If cost was not a factor, what would you shoot?

 

[broncman]

Not into benchrest, but 1000 yard FT/R. At 1000 yards, your ability to read the wind is as important as anything you bring!

Last years FT/R champion won with a Savage...

 

[TheSnake]

Answer me this. If cost was not a factor, what would you shoot?

That's easy, top of the line custom action. As said earlier the this thread, pride of ownership and confidence in the equipment add to its value over and above just the way it shoots. A Bic ballpoint and Mont Blanc will both write on paper, but the Mont Blanc feels better in your hand. Buy the best you can afford the first time, take care of it and keep it a lifetime.

 

[TheSnake]

Not into benchrest, but 1000 yard FT/R. At 1000 yards, your ability to read the wind is as important as anything you bring!

Last years FT/R champion won with a Savage...

This is very true but the best shooter in the world can't win without bringing the right equipment. If you have the right tools for the job, then you can only blame yourself for not doing the job right.

 

[IA_shooter]

Guys will always try to defend their action of choice. You cant set a accu-trigger to 2 oz. and once to get even close the trigger trips. You cant run the bolt fast on a savage when the trigger is set light without it tripping. I have made lift kits for the savages. It helps, but not much.

??? I haven't experienced these problems with 4 different rifles w/accutriggers. ??? Not saying it doesn't happen, just not to me yet.

I have my accutrigger set @ 1.75 lbs and I did everything I could to try to make the trigger trip unexpectably, slammed the bolt shut hard several times, whacked the rifle, etc.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I have my accutrigger set @ 1.75 lbs



This is why. BR triggers are in the range of 1.75 ounces, not pounds.

 

[broncman]

Not into benchrest, but 1000 yard FT/R. At 1000 yards, your ability to read the wind is as important as anything you bring!

Last years FT/R champion won with a Savage...

This is very true but the best shooter in the world can't win without bringing the right equipment. If you have the right tools for the job, then you can only blame yourself for not doing the job right.

But for so long, a Savage was "not the right equipment". VaJim proved that wrong with his Savage when he won the championship.


Dont get me wrong, nothing against custom actions. I will be the owner of a new Barnard action soon.

 

[IA_shooter]

I have my accutrigger set @ 1.75 lbs



This is why. BR triggers are in the range of 1.75 ounces, not pounds.

I'd be scared to set ANY trigger @ 1.75 oz. I'd be afraid the guy next to me would fart and set it off. But hey, I'm just a newbie.

 

[gunsandgunsmithing]

I have my accutrigger set @ 1.75 lbs



This is why. BR triggers are in the range of 1.75 ounces, not pounds.

I'd be scared to set ANY trigger @ 1.75 oz. I'd be afraid the guy next to me would fart and set it off. But hey, I'm just a newbie.

You see, this is a big difference between a Savage and any rifle that can accept a Jewell trigger. Most of the guns at a BR match will have triggers set in the 2 ounce range. I don't think that a factory action is incapable of shooting with a custom, but triggers, loading, and cycling the action do have an affect on the agging ability of a gun, IMO. A Smooth cycling action will not upset the gun in the bags as much, and can be fired faster, in part due to this, and in part to the loading port location and feeding, which Savage does pretty well at, with the dual ports.

 

[walley2960]

I think it would be wise to point out to people that are not familiar with the 2oz triggers that it would be unsafe to carry a rifle loaded. Most of these br setups don't have safety's and the rifles are not loaded until it is time to fire.
Can't wait to get my BAT together.

 

[bozo699]

I have my accutrigger set @ 1.75 lbs



This is why. BR triggers are in the range of 1.75 ounces, not pounds.

 

[Lazydays]

I have my accutrigger set @ 1.75 lbs



This is why. BR triggers are in the range of 1.75 ounces, not pounds.

I'd be scared to set ANY trigger @ 1.75 oz. I'd be afraid the guy next to me would fart and set it off. But hey, I'm just a newbie.

You see, this is a big difference between a Savage and any rifle that can accept a Jewell trigger. Most of the guns at a BR match will have triggers set in the 2 ounce range. I don't think that a factory action is incapable of shooting with a custom, but triggers, loading, and cycling the action do have an affect on the agging ability of a gun, IMO. A Smooth cycling action will not upset the gun in the bags as much, and can be fired faster, in part due to this, and in part to the loading port location and feeding, which Savage does pretty well at, with the dual ports.

No iron in the fire, but Merello did place third in a major benchrest shoot awhile back using a Savage rifle. I kinda thought it was kind of ironic to say the least. But your right a true benchrest dedicated rifle should always win the match. But I do expect to see a lot more Savage rifles shooting in the long range shoots (600+ yards) that also require a bit more cartridge than the now generic 6PPC. Plus we now see a lot of folks using Savages in the NRA shoots than ever before. What typical benchrest shooting needs right now is three or four different style actions that are still competetive with each other to make it far more interesting. Never figured out why nobody much uses the RPA and a couple others. Maybe it's the weight factor; I don't know.
gary

 

[NateHaler]

Re: big money on actions...

I would rather not mention the name of the action maker for obvious reasons,

Obvious reasons? Like what, you're not entitled to your opinion?

Imagine if the car magazines wrote articles like yours. They'd be out of business in a week. "Chevy Blah handles just as well as a way more expensive super-duper car, but we won't mention what this other car is for obvious reasons."

 

[NateHaler]

I'd be scared to set ANY trigger @ 1.75 oz.

Your evolution will happen. You should be way more scared about what's happening to the US Constitution while this thug regime is in office.

 

[bozo699]

Spot on NateHaler on both posts
Wayne.

 

[82boy]

madderg your findings are exactly the same as what I have found out years ago. I been flamed, and cut apart for stating that a Savage action can and will shoot as good as ANY custom action on the market.

If someone says they dont believe it, or that a Savage has never competed or been competitive in a Sanction match. I submit this a thread written by Jack Neary that came from Benchrest central.
http://benchrest.com/showthread.php?84709-Hurricane-Sandy-Pays-Visit-to-79th-Annual-Shelby-County-Fall-Finale-Match!&highlight=hurican+sandy

Fred Moreo (Owner of Sharp Shooters supply) shot a gun that he built, and shot in a NBRSA match he finished 3rd place in Light Gun 200 yards, 3rd place in heavy gun 100 yard, shot small group with a .169 at 100 yard, and finished overall in 5th place. http://issuu.com/precisionrifleman/docs/547637_mag1of1/17

Here is a picture of Fred taken at the match with the Savage rifle.