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Big Bart Sauter Story -- 6 BRA Tack Driver Winner

Congratulations on your win Bart, and thanks for the video. Very informative. I'd certainly like to see more of this type of thing where top shooters share solid information to help us mid to back of the pack guys up their game.

This thread has evolved nicely. It is great when top shooters actually try to help. I've seen a good bit of this in the few years I've been shooting competitions. Unfortunately, I've also seen the opposite where guys who are in a position to help, will just sit back and let the new guy struggle.

Thanks to all those who are the helpers. You promote the game from within. You peak the interest of the potential new shooter and then set the hook when the new guy, who is freshly filled with knowledge has a little bit of success. You just helped grow the game.
 
Good point, Bart.

It is amazing how few shooters realize how a well tuned rifle makes everything easier.

I see shooters at the wailing wall saying…”I must have missed something out there” when the brutal truth is their rifle simply is not working. You can tell by the groups. The hardest thing for most shooters to come to grips with is their rifle is simply not competitive. Many fall for the old…”.all you got to have is a 6PPC”. They don’t realize that while the first place Rifle was PPC, (or a 30BR in score), so was the last place Rifle.

One of the best aspects of the school Tony used to give was the very first thing he did was analyze your equipment. He would tell you up front if the rifle and it’s tune was competitive. If it wasn’t, you are just wasting your time If he could not get it working with the components on and.

I’m sure you hear shooters say….”.such and such could win with anything”. Well, no he can’t. Just like everybody else at the line, he is at the mercy of the rifles capability. Give him a .300 rifle, That’s all he can hope for.

But the reason he, and other shooters consistently stay at the top of the game is they don’t go to the line with a .300 rifle.
Considering this, @BartsBullets, just how well tuned was your gun?

As I remember, the conditions were super tough. My thought was that staying on top of conditions made the difference.
 
Considering this, @BartsBullets, just how well tuned was your gun?

As I remember, the conditions were super tough. My thought was that staying on top of conditions made the difference.
It was shooting like a laser and good enough to shoot small group of the match. I don’t know if everyone picked up on the fact that two of us doubled up on my gun, but Jim Chaney was shooting it also. Jim was ahead of me in group through targets 2,3 &4. I could watch Jim Shoot and know if the gun was working.

Factoid: there were 7 groups that were 5 tenths. My rifle shot 2 of the 7. (Out of 400 targets)

Remember the Video - the guy who handles his gun properly, that keeps his gun Tuned and reads the conditions the best will Win the match. Take out any one thing and it’s a different story.

Bart
 
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It was shooting like a laser and good enough to shoot small group of the match. I don’t know if everyone picked up on the fact that two of us doubled up on my gun, but Jim Chaney was shooting it also. Jim was ahead of me in group through targets 2,3 &4. I could watch Jim Shoot and know if the gun was working.

Factoid: there were 7 groups that were 5 tenths. My rifle shot 2 of the 7. (Out of 400 targets)

Remember the Video - the guy who handles his gun properly, that keeps his gun Tuned and reads the conditions the best will Win the match. Take out any one thing and it’s a different story.

Bart
I did pick up on Jim also shooting the same rifle..
Didn't he place 8th or 9th overall?
Pretty good showing being in the top 10 out of 60 shooter's.
 
What percentage of shooters loaded at the match vs showing up preloaded?
It’s hard to say. Most short range guys tend to load at the range. I’d guess that at least 60 percent or more loaded at the range.

Short range Group and Score Shooters tend to load at the range. While most Mid and long range guys tend to preload, but there’s always exceptions.
 
Considering this, @BartsBullets, just how well tuned was your gun?

As I remember, the conditions were super tough. My thought was that staying on top of conditions made the difference.
What percentage of shooters loaded at the match vs showing up preloaded?
There was a group of us Short Range Shooters loading in the same area, probably around 25.

Quite a few people walked by my loading table and seemed a little amazed that we were loading there after each relay. As a Short Range Shooter, I never load anywhere else. If someone asked me to show a picture of my loading room, it will be the Tomball Gun Club or what ever Match I am at.

Quite a few Score Shooters preload because it is usually just one yardage or at the most, a Grand Agg. They have enough cases to cover that.

However, the vast majority of Group Matches are Two Gun, two day events. Preloading tends to be a little impractical.

I personally think that if more shooters learned to loadat the range, their load development would be much more efficient.

this is my loading set up at the range. Pretty simple.
 
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How many square peg you trying to stuff in a round whole?
I noticed the drop tube.
Is this a normal, or necessity.?
That day I was loading 6BR, using 2495 Behind my own 103.

I use the long drop tube out of necessity on my 6PPC as I generally shoot 133 in the upper load window. I also use it on my 30BR becauseI use a really light neck tension to avoid a compressed load that tends to push the bullet out.

I use Partner presses for all of the small calibers. I have one for every die of all three chamberings so I never have to remove the die.
 
That day I was loading 6BR, using 2495 Behind my own 103.

I use the long drop tube out of necessity on my 6PPC as I generally shoot 133 in the upper load window. I also use it on my 30BR becauseI use a really light neck tension to avoid a compressed load that tends to push the bullet out.

I use Partner presses for all of the small calibers. I have one for every die of all three chamberings so I never have to remove the die.
It's the lil things in life that mean the most. That drop tube just stuck out to me.
Having everything set up caliber/cartridge specific is huge.
 

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