Big Bart Sauter Story -- 6 BRA Tack Driver Winner
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jackieschmidt
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Bart would be a great choice to publish a video on condition reading since he is one of the Short Range Benchrest Group Shooters who has taken his flag reading skills and applied them in the Long Range Disciplines.
Jackie,
It hurts my head just thinking about it. Crazy difficult subject to explain. Also remember the vast majority of shooters don’t use flags.
How about you start a thread on reading conditions and I’ll chime in from time to time.
Bart
Rick300
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Yes, PRETTY PLEASE!!
jcline
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Bart,
Thanks for the great article on my match! There are a few spots available and we would love to have anyone attend that wants to learn or shoot against the best in the nation. I'm still waiting on you to give me shooting lessons so I can learn too. Great shooting and great job with the article. Hope you don't have to recieve an autographed shirt next year!
Thanks for the great article on my match! There are a few spots available and we would love to have anyone attend that wants to learn or shoot against the best in the nation. I'm still waiting on you to give me shooting lessons so I can learn too. Great shooting and great job with the article. Hope you don't have to recieve an autographed shirt next year!
Jim
You can give me lessons! You’re a score shooting World Record making machine! Thanks for the great match and all you do for our shooting sports.
Bart
JoeDuke
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We shoot a match here in Texas with no windflags allowed other than what may be provided by the range owners. The match is shot at 400 yards at clay targets mounted on a board. One large clay, two medium clays and five mini clays are on the board. You get to take 10 rounds to the bench to break the eight clays.
The match was originally conceived as a test between varmint style rifles and better grade hunting rifles when one of the two groups threw down a challenge to the other. The match was structured sort of like going to the field for a varmint shoot where you would not have the luxury of wind flags but would have to rely on natural indicators.
The match has long since evolved into serious long range target style rifles. Hunting rifles and even pretty good varmint style rifles don't stand much chance. We have stuck with the no personal windflag rule just as a "tip of the hat" to the folks who conceived the original match. It is no doubt that it is a hinderance to your shooting at that distance.
Benchrest matches in todays world rely on wind flags and being able to read them is an integral part of your skill set and the competition.
The Tackdriver was/is conceived as a match to find the best shooter and rifle among a variety of disciplines. And that is why you use flags at the Tackdriver!
Joe
The match was originally conceived as a test between varmint style rifles and better grade hunting rifles when one of the two groups threw down a challenge to the other. The match was structured sort of like going to the field for a varmint shoot where you would not have the luxury of wind flags but would have to rely on natural indicators.
The match has long since evolved into serious long range target style rifles. Hunting rifles and even pretty good varmint style rifles don't stand much chance. We have stuck with the no personal windflag rule just as a "tip of the hat" to the folks who conceived the original match. It is no doubt that it is a hinderance to your shooting at that distance.
Benchrest matches in todays world rely on wind flags and being able to read them is an integral part of your skill set and the competition.
The Tackdriver was/is conceived as a match to find the best shooter and rifle among a variety of disciplines. And that is why you use flags at the Tackdriver!
Joe
jackieschmidt
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^^^^^^^^^
Ccrider
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Puttin it nicely, to give us folks that can’t read the wind worth a darn at least a snowball’s chance in Hades of winning.
slobhunter2
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You think these guys can't read the wind without flags( joking)Puttin it nicely, to give us folks that can’t read the wind worth a darn at least a snowball’s chance in Hades of winning.
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I just about bet that the Top 10 wouldn’t change much with or without flags.Puttin it nicely, to give us folks that can’t read the wind worth a darn at least a snowball’s chance in Hades of winning.
Bart
Ccrider
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I said “a snowball’s chance in Hades.” I guess that is a phrase some of you are not use too. Translation: “ No chance in hell” of winning, with or without flags.
RegionRat
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@BartsBullets , I agree.
No offense to folks struggling with wind flags and wind reading, but the only answer to all this is time on the field.
I once overheard a couple of new guys at a track school complaining. We all know the type, they showed up with zero experience and a new Z06 or Porche. Under their breath they complained that they felt they could beat the instructors if they had the same equipment.
Very quietly, the instructor told two of them to mount up and get on the track. The instructor took a POS Geo Metro out of the garage and went out and met them.
He proceeded to beat them badly using this Geo Metro and they rolled back in.
He didn't say a word about the point of the lesson.
The rest of us figured those two would croak after being spanked by clearly inferior equipment.
One of them quit, and the other came back, but with his tail between his legs for the rest of the class. He didn't complain much after that and he learned plenty about the arrow or the Indian that week.
The moral of the story, is that by the time folks get good at just about any type of rifle accuracy, they generally have the time in the saddle to beat you with their equipment or yours.
No offense to folks struggling with wind flags and wind reading, but the only answer to all this is time on the field.
I once overheard a couple of new guys at a track school complaining. We all know the type, they showed up with zero experience and a new Z06 or Porche. Under their breath they complained that they felt they could beat the instructors if they had the same equipment.
Very quietly, the instructor told two of them to mount up and get on the track. The instructor took a POS Geo Metro out of the garage and went out and met them.
He proceeded to beat them badly using this Geo Metro and they rolled back in.
He didn't say a word about the point of the lesson.
The rest of us figured those two would croak after being spanked by clearly inferior equipment.
One of them quit, and the other came back, but with his tail between his legs for the rest of the class. He didn't complain much after that and he learned plenty about the arrow or the Indian that week.
The moral of the story, is that by the time folks get good at just about any type of rifle accuracy, they generally have the time in the saddle to beat you with their equipment or yours.
jackieschmidt
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Good point, Bart.
It is amazing how few shooters realize how a well tuned rifle makes everything easier.
I see shooters at the wailing wall saying…”I must have missed something out there” when the brutal truth is their rifle simply is not working. You can tell by the groups. The hardest thing for most shooters to come to grips with is their rifle is simply not competitive. Many fall for the old…”.all you got to have is a 6PPC”. They don’t realize that while the first place Rifle was PPC, (or a 30BR in score), so was the last place Rifle.
One of the best aspects of the school Tony used to give was the very first thing he did was analyze your equipment. He would tell you up front if the rifle and it’s tune was competitive. If it wasn’t, you are just wasting your time If he could not get it working with the components on and.
I’m sure you hear shooters say….”.such and such could win with anything”. Well, no he can’t. Just like everybody else at the line, he is at the mercy of the rifles capability. Give him a .300 rifle, That’s all he can hope for.
But the reason he, and other shooters consistently stay at the top of the game is they don’t go to the line with a .300 rifle.
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