Anyone else having trouble with type s redding die?

[Skynnard3325]

As I posted.. My die is not resizing brass. It is litterly shaving it when I get about 75%of the down on the brass

 

[jonbearman]

What is the fired neck od and what bushing are you using.

 

[CatShooter]

As I posted.. My die is not resizing brass. It is litterly shaving it when I get about 75%of the down on the brass

Many of the Redding bushings have rough edges at the mouth. I had this problem 20 years ago, and it drove me crazy.

On one bushing, it was soooooo badd, that the scrapings from the case would build up on the mouth of the bushings and form lumps of brass, like warts.

Looking at the mouths with a jeweler's loupe, they look like they were finished with a rough 45° countersink.

I finely solved it by not buying the TiN bushings any more, and then polishing the steel bushing mouths, with a 20° tapered plug, wrapped with #2000 silicone carbide paper and oil.

I spoke to Patrick Ryan about it several times, but nothing has been done. My last bushing, bought a month ago, is just as badd as the ones I bought 20 years ago.

 

[LHSmith]

NO....chamfer the neck OD and ID.....a properly set-up die should allow the bushing to float.......and keep the bushing clean.

 

[1shot]

Several years ago, I had a Redding die that was described to me by Patrick as having a chip stick on the tip of the cutting tool as it cut where the shoulder was resized. What it caused was a groove at the body/shoulder junction in the die. When I re-sized, the brass would be squeezed into that groove and the next time fired the brass I would have to POUND the bolt handle to get it out of the chamber. I'm surprised that I didn't break a bolt handle it was so bad. Even the one's that weren't real bad, there was a noticeable "click" at the top of the bolt stroke. After several broken extractors, bruising my hand several times to get through a match, this problem was found. I sent the die back and it was replaced, no questions asked. The down side is the brass had taken "a set" and it always gave me that click and tough extraction. So, I ended throwing away 200 pieces of otherwise good (expensive) Lapua brass.
I hope this helps,
Lloyd

 

[timeout]

Not 100% sure about this, but a friend pointed out that the numbers (size) on the bushing should be placed into the die facing down. I looked at the bushing with the naked eye and it did appear to be chamfered more on that side. LHSmith has included other important steps above. I also follow those steps have not seen the problem that you are having. Maybe someone else will weigh in on direction to insert bushing into the die?

 

[diego-ted]

Not 100% sure about this, but a friend pointed out that the numbers (size) on the bushing should be placed into the die facing down. I looked at the bushing with the naked eye and it did appear to be chamfered more on that side. LHSmith has included other important steps above. I also follow those steps have not seen the problem that you are having. Maybe someone else will weigh in on direction to insert bushing into the die?

What he said, same thing happened to me, flip the bushing and problem solved.

Ted

 

[Skynnard3325]

I don't think it's a bushing issue. I could be wrong and prolly am.. But I took out the bushing all together n tried and same thing happens.. The is actually shaving the case about 70 % of the way down and I can't run it in all the way that how tight it is.

 

[timeout]

Sounds like possibly alignment problem between shell holder and die?? Perhaps using too small a bushing, or as mentioned above, no end play clearance for bushing when installed?? What is your neck OD to begin with and what size bushing are you using? Maybe necks are in dire need of annealing?. I know, I'm grasping at straws I read your previous post too hastily. If doing this with the bushing out, most of my reply can be ignored. Either an alignment problem or the die has issues. Barring someone on here passing along info that solves your problem, I would send the die back to Redding.

 

[Skynnard3325]

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[CatShooter]

I don't think it's a bushing issue. I could be wrong and prolly [sic] am.. But I took out the bushing all together n tried and same thing happens.. The is actually shaving the case about 70 % of the way down and I can't run it in all the way that how tight it is.

You didn't say that is was the body, or even if it was a FL or neck sizing die, so everyone thought it was a bushing issue.

Is the shaving on one side, or even all the way around??

 

[jlow]

Looks like it is the body that is being shaved. Is this a 308 and what is the source of the case? If it is a machine gun fired case, it might have expanded a bit too much. The other question would be what are you using as a lube. A real tight case will need a good lube like Imperial sizing wax.

 

[Skynnard3325]

Hornady case lubeand yes all the way around. 6.5x47 l

 

[Milo 2.0]

To me it looks like an oversized chamber is likely the culprit. But also Redding dies have a sharp edge at the entrance, you could have someone chuck it up in a lathe and gently cut it out, or lightly touch it up with a stone in a drill or Dremel.

I had the same issue, even if you remove the edge, by the time you get the brass in the die, it very well might crack the outer part of the case, maybe not with the edge gone, but I pitched 263 once fired cases because I didn't trust them. And unless you modify a fl die to alleviate this, they wont chamber in another gun.

You could find someone with a RCBS die to try rule out the die being at fault, but I doubt it.

If you want, pm me, you have mess on your hands.

 

[amlevin]

Some work with 2000 grit wet/dry and oil like was previously mentioned for use on a bushing.

Work the die opening so it has a nice smooth, radius'd edge. When done with the 2k grit, then use some Flitz and a dremel with felt bob to polish.

What's too bad is this is the kind of problem one might expect from Lee, not Redding.

 

[LHSmith]

What's too bad is this is the kind of problem one might expect from Lee, not Redding.

No, what is sad though, is some always jump to conclusions that the die is out of spec.....yet when it comes to competition rounds, everybody has a better idea on what the best reamer design should be....yet they are too cheap to order a sizing reamer to match.

 

[Gappmast]

I had one of their full length dies that did that. I talked them at the shot show they said it might have missed the finish ream operation and to send it back for a new one. I did they did and we all lived happily ever after.

Send it back they will make it right Redding is good people.

 

[CatShooter]

What's too bad is this is the kind of problem one might expect from Lee, not Redding.

What is too bad is that I have had to send defective dies back 4 times in the past year and a half - two with the exact problem that Skynnard3325 has - the dies were reamed but never polished, so I got piles of brass dust on the press ram, as the die scraped the cases.

The other two were cut with a reamer that had chipped shoulders, which left ridges in the dies, which left gouges in my Lapua cases.

These are not rare occurrences, this is stuff that is easy to catch, and it should never have gone out the door.

I think when Pat Ryan left, Redding lost a lot of "care" in the product. It seems like now they are just cranking stuff out the door.

 

[Old Navy]

Was this brass fired in you gun? Later! Frank

 

[wapiti25]

I would start polishing with 600 "wet or dry"at the mouth of the die to make a smooth radius . Then ued a very good lube such as Imperial die wax, stay away from the spray lubes and water based.
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