anchutz rebarrel or not

[rickhirsch]

I got a anchuts 54.18 that's shoots pretty good . restocked and turner on it . it shoots center x in the .2.s and .3's alot.
and the question is should i rebarrel it with a shelin or bench mark
or m I just wasting my time and money. or should go for a 2500x or something like a real bench rest gun
I'm just started shooting br 50 and to start ara . I just want a chance. to win or place?? old man Rick

 

[tmwinds]

If you’re consistently shooting .2-.3 I wouldn’t touch it.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

I got a anchuts 54.18 that's shoots pretty good . restocked and turner on it . it shoots center x in the .2.s and .3's alot.
and the question is should i rebarrel it with a shelin or bench mark
or m I just wasting my time and money. or should go for a 2500x or something like a real bench rest gun
I'm just started shooting br 50 and to start ara . I just want a chance. to win or place?? old man Rick

To answer your question. try shooting for score. get some ARA UL targets and see how well the rifle can hold your calls on conditions. groups are good for testing, but scores will show how well the rifle and most importantly. your tune is.
FYI, I shoot an older match 54 (1965) with a Benchmark 3G and it can hold its own against customs and even beat them.

Lee

 

[rickhirsch]

thanks lee that's what i wanted to here . in a ara card i'll get about three flyers which will be a 25 or a zero
but i'm shooting idaho so you can miss a few and still place . so many times I've tried to go cheap and ended up buying what i should have in the first place . but 22lr are not main gig mid range is . but I still like it.

 

[Intell]

If you get to the point you want more than your factory Anschutz I would go with a custom action or a 40x to rebarrel. Smiths usually charge extra to thread the action and you will end up with custom money in a factory gun.
I’ve been down that rabbit hole and spent too much money trying to make non BR guns into BR guns.
I did however have a Weirauch 150 action threaded once, installed a PAC-nor barrel that shot good enough to win ara tournament's back when it was an even mix of custom and modified factory guns. It was in a narrow prone stock and I added a 3” wedge to the forearm to help it in a rest. Even though it could win, it still wasn’t a BR gun and was harder to drive than one designed for the task. It was top heavy because of the prone stock.
Once you spend the money to rebarrel a factory gun, I don’t think it increases the value much and it’s hard to recover the cost in resell.
I’ve seen Anchutz shoot great after threading and barreling and I’ve seen cases where they were just okay shooters.
Long story short I spent more on my first four factory guns and ammo than I would have if I had just started with a 40x or custom action.

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

thanks lee that's what i wanted to here . in a ara card i'll get about three flyers which will be a 25 or a zero
but i'm shooting idaho so you can miss a few and still place . so many times I've tried to go cheap and ended up buying what i should have in the first place . but 22lr are not main gig mid range is . but I still like it.

Where does the flier usually land from POA? could it be left by chance? when you shoot a group do you have any shot go left from POA?

Lee

 

[Hi-NV Shooter]

If you get to the point you want more than your factory Anschutz I would go with a custom action or a 40x to rebarrel. Smiths usually charge extra to thread the action and you will end up with custom money in a factory gun.
I’ve been down that rabbit hole and spent too much money trying to make non BR guns into BR guns.
I did however have a Weirauch 150 action threaded once, installed a PAC-nor barrel that shot good enough to win ara tournament's back when it was an even mix of custom and modified factory guns. It was in a narrow prone stock and I added a 3” wedge to the forearm to help it in a rest. Even though it could win, it still wasn’t a BR gun and was harder to drive than one designed for the task. It was top heavy because of the prone stock.
Once you spend the money to rebarrel a factory gun, I don’t think it increases the value much and it’s hard to recover the cost in resell.
I’ve seen Anchutz shoot great after threading and barreling and I’ve seen cases where they were just okay shooters.
Long story short I spent more on my first four factory guns and ammo than I would have if I had just started with a 40x or custom action.

Just out of curiosity why do you think an Anschutz would shoot better if threaded? I have two Match 54 that are press fit and glued and shoot really good. also isn't a 40X a factory rifle? not sure why it would be considered a custom over a Match 54

Lee

 

[Intell]

Just out of curiosity why do you think an Anschutz would shoot better if threaded? I have two Match 54 that are press fit and glued and shoot really good. also isn't a 40X a factory rifle? not sure why it would be considered a custom over a Match 54

Lee

I’ve never done any testing glue vs threading, just based on top smiths threading most of the small German actions, 54s Shul, Weirauch. One did tell me once that after doing several he wasn’t sure that it was necessary.
As far as the 40x statement, I’m pretty sure it’s the most winning non custom action, I’ve seen them mop the floor against customs on many occasions. That’s the only reason I consider them in the same category.

 

[rickhirsch]

wow I thought the tread had died. the poa is usually high and when it gets hot it starts to migrate
low . but that's with center x. I got some eley match black box clean the gun really good and it shot
better. still shot high for the first few shots . first ara card was bad but the wind was 2 to 5 miles not
consistent at all . but the second one was good for me. wind was mild only had one that went crazy when
touch the trigger by accident . still a 50 had a few that broke the line and were 50's but they were close.
I can't shoot better than that. I think I still want to get a custom barrel on that rifle . the local know it
all toll me i couldn't win with a anchuts. that makes me want to do it .
I'm working on a 6BRA that's driving me crazy. its a 9/16 gun .i'm going to try a turner .
I'll have more time next week. thanks guys old rich

 

[Tad_Earhart]

Purchase or build a custom actioned rifle of some kind. Turbo or 2500x/trident. You will be ahead in the end to do that. There is no doubt a person can make an Anschutz a winner in this game, Look no further than to the impressive things that Joe Besche has done, but you are giving some up to the customs if you go that route and just making it harder on yourself. The bolt working/manipulation side of it alone is enough to go with the customs. Even more so, if you go the route of the 2500x/trident, there are a lot of take off barrels with barely any rounds shot through them that come up for sale regularly for not much more than the price of a barrel blank.

Tad

 

[Thauglor]

So you are going to go against all the advice here, hahaha

 

[searcher]

If it were me, I'd leave the existing tube alone and try the tuner, trigger refinement, bed it if not already done, etc. (assuming not a 'factory class" match) - OR just go for the full custom rifle. Can pick one up for much less than the cost to build (materials alone would start at close to about 3K w/o scope)- sometimes on this site. I'm actually thinking of selling mine as they discontinued the rimfire matches locally a few years back right after I had it built.

 

[rickhirsch]

well you guys got to me. I shot my first ara shoot and and got a good look at some stiller 2500 they look
awesome and i think I can shoot most of the guys at the shoot . a stiller would take out the need for luck.
its like racing a 90's car against a new car with a turbo . need some luck. so I'm going start buying pieces.
thanks for your impute fellas . Rick

 

[TheDream]

How did your first ARA shoot go? What did you end up placing with your Annie?

 

[butchlambert]

My old 1913 Annie won our last club match with a 250-20X. If I were ever to want to rechamber it I would send it to Mark Penrod with a .900 diameter Shilen ratchet and have Mark press it in. No threading.

 

[rickhirsch]

the ara match went ok but I didn't shoot the annie. it was shoot a card and move 4 benches down .that's to much
moving with out a delivery wagon ? they wouldn't let you shoot personal flags just range flags . had a good time . I shot cz 457 pro varmint.
shot 2370 agg. for second place if I had flags it would been better . but I'm still start buying parts for a 2500x.
the guy that won with a 2100 agg. I think my annie will do that . but my old shooting buddy says it's harder
that it looks old rick

 

[TheDream]

Yea there is a big difference between factory targets and unlimited targets. Personally for me, if my annie could shoot 2100 agg or better, I would not rebarrel it. I would say to improve from there, its all about finding the best ammo. Only way to find out though is to get out and shoot your annie! Good luck!

 

[butchlambert]

This target was shot with my 1913.


I will have a new Rotex stock available for a 2500X in a month or so.

 

[rickhirsch]

butch were did you get your rolex stock from.

 

[butchlambert]

rolex? It is a Rotex by Randy Owen.