A copper remover test

[DShortt]

Ammonia is bad. Mkay?

I think you could literally drink Boretech.

I definitely wouldn't try that with the Copper Remover that I have. It has a definite strong ammonia smell. I haven’t found anything yet that will remove copper that doesn't reek of ammonia but it might be out there somewhere. The C4 Carbon Remover has very little odor and looks clear as water but as I stated previously, I can't tell that it does anything, on copper or carbon either. If you spit on a patch and swabbed it I doubt you'd see any difference between it and the C4.

Again, I haven't tried the Eliminator so I can't say anything one way or another about it.

 

[Dgd6mm]

I have both the Montana extreme copper killer and the Bore Tech CU +2 copper remover. I may have to run me a test. I don't use the Montana Extreme anymore, I can't stand the ammonia and I'd rather not put it in my barrel if I don't have to. I've been using the B.T. copper remover for several years and after treatment per directions it does it's job by verifying with my borescope.

 

[three percent]

Only thing I haven't tried is wipeout.i will before long I'm sure
So far I think I'll stick to gunslick now hoppes foaming bore cleaner for semiautos and pistols. really bought it for a arsenal AK and if y'all know anything about those rifles solvents eat the finish off metal but along the way I discovered it was great on copper but sucks at powder fouling.

But for now I'll stick to bore tech cu2 on copper and use free all on carbon in my bolt guns along with JB.ill try the eliminator before long also I've just ventured into the newer solvents past few years.got a little concerned about ammonia being in my basement with my brass after having a few once fired brass split case necks.

I like KG products but patches not changing color was disappointing but get what y'all are saying about borescope and not letting patch color mislead you.old habits I guess
I still like old school copper solvents for barrel break ins.ive used shooters choice so long I can tell what the patch is telling me at the range pretty good.
I sometimes wonder how many years Ive taken off my life cleaning guns in my basement not wearing gloves.lol come upstairs and whole house smells like shooters choice

 

[DShortt]

I've had this stuff for a long time because it works really fast so I don't need much. Maybe it's not available anymore?

 

[three percent]

So you don't think it's the same as the cu2?

 

[DShortt]

So you don't think it's the same as the cu2?

I've no idea. That's why I posted a picture of the bottle. If the label on the bottle you're using says CU2 I'd say it's not the same.

 

[three percent]

If it smells like ammonia I'd bet it's something they used to offer.cause everything I see now they sell says ammonia free and I couldn't find it on Interwebs.

 

[DShortt]

So far as I can tell this stuff might as well be water. Doesn’t remove anything but loose fouling. It's going in the trash.

 

[Gil P.]

I have both the Montana extreme copper killer and the Bore Tech CU +2 copper remover. I may have to run me a test. I don't use the Montana Extreme anymore, I can't stand the ammonia and I'd rather not put it in my barrel if I don't have to. I've been using the B.T. copper remover for several years and after treatment per directions it does it's job by verifying with my borescope.

My wife makes sure I'm not in the house if I use the Montana Xtreme stuff. If something is working for you, why change it?

 

[Gil P.]

So far as I can tell this stuff might as well be water. Doesn’t remove anything but loose fouling. It's going in the trash.

That was my experience too. I'm glad I wasn't the only one. This stuff sucks.

 

[DShortt]

That was my experience too. I'm glad I wasn't the only one. This stuff sucks. View attachment 1419709

You ain't kiddin'.

Worthless as tits on a boar hog. If all there stuff is like this the name should be Boar Tits. As in worthless as.

If they don't still make the Copper Remover I pictured above I'll not be buying anything they make in the future.

 

[Dgd6mm]

My wife makes sure I'm not in the house if I use the Montana Xtreme stuff. If something is working for you, why change it?

I said I may test. I have no intentions of changing from the CU+2 Copper Remover.

 

[urbanrifleman]

I definitely wouldn't try that with the Copper Remover that I have. It has a definite strong ammonia smell. I haven’t found anything yet that will remove copper that doesn't reek of ammonia but it might be out there somewhere. The C4 Carbon Remover has very little odor and looks clear as water but as I stated previously, I can't tell that it does anything, on copper or carbon either. If you spit on a patch and swabbed it I doubt you'd see any difference between it and the C4.

Again, I haven't tried the Eliminator so I can't say anything one way or another about it.

Vortec eliminator smells like soap. It doesn't smell like ammonia at all. And I'll say it one more time, it beat every single thing I tested including every other thing mentioned in this thread

 

[DShortt]

Vortec eliminator smells like soap. It doesn't smell like ammonia at all. And I'll say it one more time, it beat every single thing I tested including every other thing mentioned in this thread

I presume Vortec is a typo?

The BoreTec Copper Remover I posted definitely smells like ammonia. Perhaps it's a discontinued product. After my C4 Carbon Remover experience I'm wary of trying any more of their recent products.

 

[Dgd6mm]

I presume Vortec is a typo?

The BoreTec Copper Remover I posted definitely smells like ammonia. Perhaps it's a discontinued product. After my C4 Carbon Remover experience I'm wary of trying any more of their recent products.

The Bore Tech Copper remover that you posted I believe is old and different from what I'm using.
Bore Tech CU+2 Copper Remover.

 

[dunraven]

Ex-Army Ranger/gunsmith once told me that if he ever caught me using a bronze brush on one of his rifles he would 'kick my ass'. He used Sweets exclusivley. FWIW.

 

[DShortt]

Ex-Army Ranger/gunsmith once told me that if he ever caught me using a bronze brush on one of his rifles he would 'kick my ass'. He used Sweets exclusivley. FWIW.

It would be interesting to run a scope down a few of his bores. Bet I can guess what we'd see.

Nothing pretty.

 

[Gil P.]

It would be interesting to run a scope down a few of his bores. Bet I can guess what we'd see.

Nothing pretty.

In my experience, accuracy falls off without the use of a bronze brush. Just because someone was in the military doesn't mean they are the end all be all of firearm related knowledge.

 

[dunraven]

Br shooters get 30mins to clean and load ammo- and id bet those barrels are cleaner between matches than those that take 2 days. Yall gotta rethink your processes and chemicals. Id drink a whole lot if i had to use anything from hoppes or outers to clean

Many were using Sweets exclusively.

 

[BoydAllen]

For these copper removing threads, I think it would be helpful for people to post something about the barrel. The reason that I say that is that all of my copper issues have pretty much been with rough factory barrels. Once my top level lapped barrels are broken in (which is usually a 20 shot procedure) I see very little copper. For those barrels, the issue is hard carbon, not powder fouling, but the stuff that no brush or non abrasive cleaner will touch. I have that under control, but for many it is a continuing issue. The other think that would be helpful would be to know how often the poster cleans. The other day I was discussing load development with a friend, who asked me if I thought he needed to clean after 150 rounds. One of the reasons that I do not end up with big cleaning problems is that I clean every 25 rounds or so, depending on the powder and caliber.

Added later: For everyone, if you don't have a bore scope, thanks to Teslong, everyone can now afford one. If you don't have a bore scope, you are just guessing.