6.5x47 vs Creedmoor

[Hombre0321]

Hey Gman, You gonna ban the man for a simple TYPO??

Mr Mulhern, made reference to the 6.5X47Lapua. Me I give a lot of lee way to Mr. quartermaster for his simple mistake, but then I'm not one for Thread Police...

Roland

 

[sambubba]

I have two 6.5x47's and they are very accurate, but my most accurate 6.5 is the .260AAR which is the .257 Ackley Improved necked up to 6.5. It shoots everything from 100's to 140's into bugholes when I do my part.

 

[Gman]

Hey Gman, You gonna ban the man for a simple TYPO??

Mr Mulhern, made reference to the 6.5X47Lapua. Me I give a lot of lee way to Mr. quartermaster for his simple mistake, but then I'm not one for Thread Police...

Roland

I thought that he was talking about the 6-6.5 x 47 cartridge.

 

[Larryh128]

Thanks a lot, now I've got a 6.5 & looking for more ;D

 

[wapiti25]

I look at the brass that is available. Their are a lot of shooters that like Lapua brass and the small primer, so the 6.5 X47L gets the nood.

 

[basshusker]

6.5 creed had good ammo availability off the shelf in a pinch. 6 or 7 different vs 1 .260. Including 2 match ones. If you are handloading the 6.5 slr will get you in a node 100 fps higher.
Depends if you want hunting ammo in a pinch, otherwise the two you mentioned have the same accuracy potential. Lapua brass in .260 or 6.5x47L will get you more primer pocket life, and way more loads if you anneal. It will save you money in the end

 

[swd]

6.5 creed had good ammo availability off the shelf in a pinch. 6 or 7 different vs 1 .260. Including 2 match ones. If you are handloading the 6.5 slr will get you in a node 100 fps higher.
Depends if you want hunting ammo in a pinch, otherwise the two you mentioned have the same accuracy potential. Lapua brass in .260 or 6.5x47L will get you more primer pocket life, and way more loads if you anneal. It will save you money in the end

You realize this thread is from 4 years ago

 

[Grimstod]

The 6.5x47 is more accurate then the 6.5 Creedmoor.

I once considered the Creedmoor and asked this same question on many forums. What I asked was if anyone who has both a Creedmoor and a 47L, of their two guns which was more accurate. The answer was 100% unanimously the 47L so I went with the 47L.

Since then other things have come up that have convinced me further of the virtues of the 47L vs Creedmoor.

In this article the author of rifle shooter.com states very plainly that the 47L is more accurate.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/03/6-5-creedmoor-barrel-cut-down-velocity-tests/

Another major thing to think about is the life of the brass. Lapua's last 25 reloads at worst case scenario. While Creedmoor guys struggle to get 10 reloads and most only get 5-7. That means the brass ages fast and it changes from shot to shot a lot more then the Lapua does. This I believe is a major reason for the greater accuracy of the 47L.

I will include a nice graph for you by Precisionrifleblog.com As can be seen in this graph if you shoot a 47L you are much more likely to place or win in PRS. As you can see the numbers for both the 6mm and 6.5mm version are better for the 47L then the Creedmoor. By the way a smaller number is better in this graph.

Next and probably LARGEST REASON the 47L is more accurate is that the 47L has set a hug slough of world records. The Creedmoor has yet to produce ANY and don't anyone say that is because no on is shooting it. There are a ton of people shooting it thanks to excellent marketing. But once again it has yet to produce any winning results.

Next there is that primer pocket. The USA Palma team has proven that small primers produce a smaller ES. And that gives the 47L an edge in accuracy. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/11/308-winchester-large-vs-small-flash-hole-test/

Then there is the cost. At first you would think the CM is cheeper to shoot right? NO it is not. Think of it this way.
A batch of Lapua brass costs $105 for 100. Creedmoor costs $66 for a batch of 100. Noe divide both of those $ by the number of reloads you get out of each. The Creedmoor you are guaranteed to get at least 5 reloads.... well ok lets be nice and say 10 even though practically no one does. That works out to be $0.066 ea. While the Lapua gets at worst 25 reloads that works out to be $0.042 ea reload. That is an astounding 50% difference in cost with the Lapua coming out to be much cheaper to shoot. And we are not even connoting that Small primers are cheaper and the 47L needs less powder to get the same performance as the CM.

Lastly remember that these to cartridges are basically Balistic twins. Both do the same thing ballistically.

I see only one reason to by a Creedmoor. That is factory ammo. If you do not reload then get a Creedmoor but if you reload then it would be stupid to get anything other then a 47L.

 

[basshusker]

You realize this thread is from 4 years ago

Lol. Not sure how I stumbled on it .

 

[basshusker]

The 6.5x47 is more accurate then the 6.5 Creedmoor.

I once considered the Creedmoor and asked this same question on many forums. What I asked was if anyone who has both a Creedmoor and a 47L, of their two guns which was more accurate. The answer was 100% unanimously the 47L so I went with the 47L.

Since then other things have come up that have convinced me further of the virtues of the 47L vs Creedmoor.

In this article the author of rifle shooter.com states very plainly that the 47L is more accurate.
http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/03/6-5-creedmoor-barrel-cut-down-velocity-tests/

Another major thing to think about is the life of the brass. Lapua's last 25 reloads at worst case scenario. While Creedmoor guys struggle to get 10 reloads and most only get 5-7. That means the brass ages fast and it changes from shot to shot a lot more then the Lapua does. This I believe is a major reason for the greater accuracy of the 47L.

I will include a nice graph for you by Precisionrifleblog.com As can be seen in this graph if you shoot a 47L you are much more likely to place or win in PRS. As you can see the numbers for both the 6mm and 6.5mm version are better for the 47L then the Creedmoor. By the way a smaller number is better in this graph.

Next and probably LARGEST REASON the 47L is more accurate is that the 47L has set a hug slough of world records. The Creedmoor has yet to produce ANY and don't anyone say that is because no on is shooting it. There are a ton of people shooting it thanks to excellent marketing. But once again it has yet to produce any winning results.

Next there is that primer pocket. The USA Palma team has proven that small primers produce a smaller ES. And that gives the 47L an edge in accuracy. http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2013/11/308-winchester-large-vs-small-flash-hole-test/

Then there is the cost. At first you would think the CM is cheeper to shoot right? NO it is not. Think of it this way.
A batch of Lapua brass costs $105 for 100. Creedmoor costs $66 for a batch of 100. Noe divide both of those $ by the number of reloads you get out of each. The Creedmoor you are guaranteed to get at least 5 reloads.... well ok lets be nice and say 10 even though practically no one does. That works out to be $0.066 ea. While the Lapua gets at worst 25 reloads that works out to be $0.042 ea reload. That is an astounding 50% difference in cost with the Lapua coming out to be much cheaper to shoot. And we are not even connoting that Small primers are cheaper and the 47L needs less powder to get the same performance as the CM.

Lastly remember that these to cartridges are basically Balistic twins. Both do the same thing ballistically.

I see only one reason to by a Creedmoor. That is factory ammo. If you do not reload then get a Creedmoor but if you reload then it would be stupid to get anything other then a 47L.

Good points. Love my 6x47L. My favorite rifle. I run a 6.5 SLR also which gives me more velocity by 100+ and easy to neck. But then you lose the advantage of great brass.

 

[swd]

Lol. Not sure how I stumbled on it .

I get caught up going through old posts too. Lot's of great stuff!

 

[CTK]

In the interest of supporting the revival of an old thread, I will say I like my 6.5x47L better than a 6.5 Creedmoor. I have never seen or shot a Creedmoor but like my 6.5L. I love Lapua brass and this is my basis for saying it is better even though I do not have a leg to stand on in this comparison thread.

 

[missed]

Judd have you made any more of the VBS shoots? I am going to try to make some this fall.

I built a 47 and built my brother a Creedmoor (he wants to shoot factory ammo)

With handloads in both guns they shoot almost identical.

I sold my 6.5 barrel and am going to build a 6x47l when the Mausingfield gets here. Then onto the 284 build.

I think my daughter will be ready for the fall VBS shoots, I think she will shoot my 22-250

 

[Riesel]

You realize this thread is from 4 years ago [/QUOTe
I'm sure there are some "newbys" that have joined in the last four years. It can be interesting reading and I, for one, am surprised
at how the opinions can change. Never too late to learn something new.

 

[Judd]

WOW how things change in 4 years. I've learned a lot since that post, I was just starting to get into precision shooting back then and very wet behind the ears. Sadly, it seems much longer than 4 years. I was fortunate enough to get hooked up with some great mentors and found an awesome gunsmith too build my rifles and now feel like every match I go to I've got a chance of wining and have definitely won my share.

99% of the time I'm shooting a dasher or brx. I sold my Creedmoor because it wasn't good enough to be competitive...Not because the caliber but because it was built on a tactical stock and Savage action.

I did build have my gunsmith spin me a 6.5x47. I've got ~ 500 rounds through it and I've not been happy at all with its performance. It'll shoot 4 out of 5 in a ragged hole but there will always be one shot that will be 1/4" off the group. But because of that I've been looking at the action and setup. The guys at BAT have been through it and I should get it back this next week. I'll start messing with it again soon. They were awesome to deal with and very helpful on something I had no more than a hunch and data based upon another action of theirs.

Missed...I've not been back. I enjoy them but they added targets and that is hell on a barrel and barrels aren't cheap. If can get this x47 up and running I'll have that to take and it'll have a little more life so I would have to be as careful. My current dasher barrel is a good one and I don't shoot it unless it's a match and one of those matches equal two clay matches so just not worth it to me.

 

[X-Caveman]

Judd - Oct VBR match should be a good one. I sent my entry in. It should "only" be in the 80s so a little easier on barrels. Plus, it can be won without your best barrel. I'll be shooting a '47 with over 2,400 rnds on it. I've done well with it the two times i've been out. You can also use your hammer just for the 385 yotes and a less precious bbl for the other yardages. You should make it out!

 

[missed]

I should be able to make the October one unless it lines up with the local tactical match, who knows what I will be shooting....Still waiting on my Mausingfield. I was hoping to have it running as my Daughter wants to shoot also, she will shoot the 22-250. 2400+ rounds on the 47 is great! I know I wont get that out of the 6x47 but it will be fun anyway. Are they shooting to 800 now?

 

[284winner]

I

http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-shootout-260-6.5x47-6.5-creedmoor/
In the article there is an update that states , with lapua brass available and Reloder 17 the .260 is the better of the three........... Amen! At least as far as a field, steel ,or hunting round.

Think I read either the same or similar link that in fact did recommend the .260 over both if you are a reloader. I see alot of info showing the 260 only betters the creedmore by 50 fps. Personally i think thats a lowballed number. I believe its more like 100 + fps. The recommendation was for the creedmore if reloading wasn't an option. Factory ammo was 30-40% cheaper for the creedmore and match ammo was more available for the creedmore. I think that about sums is up although the 6.5-47 is a very good round it must be reloaded as I don't think factory ammo is affordable. Lapua sells it for over 140.00 per 50 RDS loaded.

 

[X-Caveman]

Are they shooting to 800 now?

Yes, but I don't think it's quite 800, but it's farther than 750.

 

[shoot4fun]

As for accuracy, I find my 6.5CM just as (if not more) accurate than my shooting buddy's 6.5x47. It also sends bullets down range faster; about 200 FPS faster. I also have found my Hornady 6.5CM brass can last 10 to 12 firings of 42.5 RL17 with 140/142 class bullets without primer pockets failing.
As for hunting, my 6.5CM TC Icon has taken 200+ pound Axis Deer, a couple of good size pigs and several whitetails. All were DRT kills and internal devastation was impressive.
I do not regret the 6.5CM build at all and will do it again.