6.5 Creemoor and 6.5x47 Fake News?

[Laurie]

I am happy the Creedmoor is gaining popularity and the Lapua cases. Makes getting the 6.5x47 brass that much easier to get when I need it!

You won't say that if Lapua struggles to meet Creedmoor demand and has to cut back on something else to make enough of the new cases will you?

 

[JRS]

JRS....there's already a "25 Creedmoor" .....not an exact match but dang near. It's been around for many decades. Look at the case dimensions for a 250-3000 Ackley. Other than shoulder angles they are almost identical. I have one...100g projectiles at 3150 and pretty accurate to boot. Mine's in a hunting rifle and has never seen a match grade bullet but still does just over half minute.

I have a 250 Ackley The Lapua brass will withstand more pressure and have a bit more boiler room.

 

[sawcarver]

I'm surprised there isn't a listing for 6.5 creedmoor and another for 6.5 creedmore...half the guys shooting it can't spell it

 

[Yote Hunter]

The Creedmoor was designed to optimize an AR-10 magazine length as well. Very well thought out compared to trying to shoot 260 Remington in AR-10 magazine restrictions. JP Enterprises found that in an AR-10 the CReedmoor would equal the velocity of a 260 Remington and a 6.5 Super LR with less powder. I own a 6.5 Creedmoor DPMS and a custom 6.5 Super LR in AR-10 platform and the Creedmoor will shoot just as fast with 2" less barrel and less powder. In a bolt gun , I own both the 6.5x47 Lapua and 6.5 Creedmoor and am a fan of both. Each has their place. If the new Lapua Creedmoor brass will take higher pressure especially with the small rifle primer and they are run at equal pressures, I dont see why it wouldn't hit a higher velocity node than the 6.5x47 Lapua. Now, whether this will be as accurate, I dont know. I dont have any problem with any of the new cartridge designs. I remember when we only had a handful of choices and if all the manufacturers stuck with the old standbys imagine how boring the shooting world would be.

 

[BOB LEE SWAGGER]

I'm surprised there isn't a listing for 6.5 creedmoor and another for 6.5 creedmore...half the guys shooting it can't spell it

So which Forester die do I get?

 

[half]

So which Forester die do I get?

lol, thanks for the laugh!!!!!

 

[hunter243sgk]

It's the same deal with the .20 Practical and the .20 Tactical. The .20P isn't much different than the .20T but since it's got the Tactical moniker, in the eyes of the fanboys, that makes it a better cartridge (which we can debate until the cows come home). While I'm at it, TACTICAL is so overused as to have lost any meaning whatsoever but it still sells more useless, non descript, generic, non essential accessories probably than any other word in the firearms industry. Tactical flashlight anyone? Me? I'm in the market for a TACTICAL nose hair clipper.

Let me know if you find them. As i am in need one!

 

[Tommie]

David Tubb really got the ball rolling with his 6X and 6XC in popularizing a 6mm VLD bullet in a 250 Savage length case. Yes, we all know similar stuff was done way before Tubb's chamberings but his name brought real "cred" to the concept.

Why is the Creedmoor taking off like a rocket compared to similar chamberings? Easy: Hornady is a mainstream ammunition manufacturer (in the US) so the general public feels comfortable with their product. Also the domestic gun manufacturers already have a track record with Hornady so mutual product support is a given.

 

[people]

Not to mention ammo is available and they use components all of us can get. You know not some weird unheard of powder.

 

[Laurie]

Not to mention ammo is available and they use components all of us can get. You know not some weird unheard of powder.

Eh? Wouldn't say that H. Varget, Alliant Re15, Viht N150 and H4350 which are what most people use in 6.5X47 are 'unheard of powders'. Most '47L rifles work best with VarGet and / or Alliant Re15, but some prefer slightly slower burning powders which takes them into exactly the same numbers as are generally used in 260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor.

 

[DTubb]

The 6.5 Creedmoor was born when the Hornady bunch stayed beside the Creedmoor bunch at a time share/condomium about 10 minutes from Camp Perry. Year was about 2004 (I might off a year). The 6XC was out and doing well. Creedmoor was selling T2K's and Dennis was shooting one of them. I don't remember if I spoke to Dennis about the 6.5 testing using the XC case but I know others who were around knew of the testing. When designing the XC I also paid attention to the (possible use of a 6.5 XC) 142 gr 6.5 Sierra's seating depth so as to perform well out of the 2.8" magazine box.
When it was all said and done I picked the 6mm as the best pick and have not ever looked back. The XC case and the Creedmoor case are very close in design. The problem was at that time the Hornady brass was less than desirable.

IMO the case capacity of the 260 Remington is a much better choice for getting the 6.5 to the velocity levels that I would be happy with.
The Creedmoor enjoys the marketing of Hornady which has led to it success. It just goes to show that the best ideas don't always rise to the top.

 

[Laurie]

IMO the case capacity of the 260 Remington is a much better choice for getting the 6.5 to the velocity levels that I would be happy with.
The Creedmoor enjoys the marketing of Hornady which has led to it success. It just goes to show that the best ideas don't always rise to the top.

......... which (left unsaid) makes the 6.5X47L an even less desirable choice with a still smaller case capacity. That always has been my 'problem' with this cartridge given that it's a very small design originally optimised for a 300-metre discipline, and which needs its 63,000 psi pressure limit to get near the larger designs' MVs.

The more I look at the 260, Creedmoor, '47L trio, the more I think how well Hornady did its job and how badly Remington has treated its 260. For Heaven's sake, Remington leaves the production of match and tactical 260 'factory loadings' to ABM, Cor-Bon, HSM, Prime Ammunition (loaded under contract by RUAG / Norma) and others, and completely ignored all the 260 development done some years ago by the Sniper and Tactical competition people, and yourself, amongst others. If Snipers Hide posts are to be believed, it didn't even produce 260 brass during the recent great ammo / components shortages.

Bearing in mind that Remington appeared to be closely involved in the development of multi-purpose modern sniper / marksmen rifles - modular designs based on the 700 action - with the US Armed Forces in recent years with the occasional Bulletin piece on them, how come Remy let Ruger with its 'Precision Rifle' steal a march on it, and even today is the only US long rifle manufacturer that doesn't have a quasi-PRS rifle on the go?

 

[people]

Eh? Wouldn't say that H. Varget, Alliant Re15, Viht N150 and H4350 which are what most people use in 6.5X47 are 'unheard of powders'. Most '47L rifles work best with VarGet and / or Alliant Re15, but some prefer slightly slower burning powders which takes them into exactly the same numbers as are generally used in 260 Rem and 6.5 Creedmoor.

In case you missed it the Creedmoor had load data on the box when it first came out.

 

[Rob01]

The 6.5 Creedmoor was born when the Hornady bunch stayed beside the Creedmoor bunch at a time share/condomium about 10 minutes from Camp Perry. Year was about 2004 (I might off a year). The 6XC was out and doing well. Creedmoor was selling T2K's and Dennis was shooting one of them. I don't remember if I spoke to Dennis about the 6.5 testing using the XC case but I know others who were around knew of the testing. When designing the XC I also paid attention to the (possible use of a 6.5 XC) 142 gr 6.5 Sierra's seating depth so as to perform well out of the 2.8" magazine box.
When it was all said and done I picked the 6mm as the best pick and have not ever looked back. The XC case and the Creedmoor case are very close in design. The problem was at that time the Hornady brass was less than desirable.

IMO the case capacity of the 260 Remington is a much better choice for getting the 6.5 to the velocity levels that I would be happy with.
The Creedmoor enjoys the marketing of Hornady which has led to it success. It just goes to show that the best ideas don't always rise to the top.

The year was 2007 David.

 

[DTubb]

The year was 2007 David.

Thanks Rob...
I remember the circumstances better than the datelines..LOL

 

[digrazir]

I have an Accuracy International AT with the quick switch barrel system. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel and a 260 Remington barrel. Both are 26 inch with little bastard 2 muzzle brakes. Both are Bartlein barrels chambered by Robert Gradous. I purchased the barrels within a month of each other. The bottom line is they both are really good shooters with the 140ish bullets and almost identical charges of H4350. They are equally accurate, with the only difference on how I am shooting on a given day. I am using the Lapua brass with the 260 and Nosler brass with the Creedmoor. I am not going to the Lapua brass for the Creedmoor because the Nosler is working just fine for me and my AI has the large firing pin which can cause issues with small primer brass. Ray

 

[rardoin]

The O.P.'ster is like the guy that farts in an elevator and hops off quick at the next floor.

 

[Grimstod]

Still here. Just have not had much to say. Every one has had some good points to add. Not really much to add beyond my first post.

 

[Grimstod]

The 6.5 Creedmoor was born when the Hornady bunch stayed beside the Creedmoor bunch at a time share/condomium about 10 minutes from Camp Perry. Year was about 2004 (I might off a year). The 6XC was out and doing well. Creedmoor was selling T2K's and Dennis was shooting one of them. I don't remember if I spoke to Dennis about the 6.5 testing using the XC case but I know others who were around knew of the testing. When designing the XC I also paid attention to the (possible use of a 6.5 XC) 142 gr 6.5 Sierra's seating depth so as to perform well out of the 2.8" magazine box.
When it was all said and done I picked the 6mm as the best pick and have not ever looked back. The XC case and the Creedmoor case are very close in design. The problem was at that time the Hornady brass was less than desirable.

IMO the case capacity of the 260 Remington is a much better choice for getting the 6.5 to the velocity levels that I would be happy with.
The Creedmoor enjoys the marketing of Hornady which has led to it success. It just goes to show that the best ideas don't always rise to the top.

I missed this comment. Very well said David.

 

[rardoin]

Still here. Just have not had much to say. Every one has had some good points to add. Not really much to add beyond my first post.

Just making sure.