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223 for whitetail?

I shot my largest buck ever with a 223 , 65gr Sierra spitzer bt at 125 yds. The buck dropped like I shot him with a 7 mag. It blew my mind. Bullet entered behind the right shoulder and exited the left with about a quarter sized hole. First deer I ever used a 223 on.
 

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Having utilized the 223 at length on hogs, which are arguably tougher than deer especially if large in size, my take is to use a bullet that will hold together if shooting at short ranges, or if shooting into the shoulder. Don't take long or poor angle shots.

Some examples of this are the Nosler 64 BSB, the Speer Gold Dot, Norma Oryx, or one of Barne's monolithic offerings.

I personally like the Nosler 64 BSB, and it's performance on multiple hogs up to 200 lbs has been good. It generally results in a good wound channel and nearly 100% exit wounds long as the animal is broadside. This is from 18" AR-15 and 2850 fps muzzle velocity. Max ranges are typically 125-150 yards, with most shots closer (night hunting).

Does it have the emphatic effect of a magnum rifle? No. This is offset by the extremely low recoil and ease of placing shots precisely.
 
When I pick up one of my rifles for a specific hunt, I grab the caliber that will 1) Reach out to the maximum range I'll likely be shooting. 2) Is potent enough to provide a pass-thru at that maximum range.
3) Take into consideration the type of animal I'm shooting. 4) Ease of recovery of the animal, which takes into account whether there are bordering properties the animal should not die on or terrain it could enter which would add great difficulty to recovery.

In the type of terrain that I often tend to hunt, it is best they aren't even allowed to run 100 yards before dropping. So, I tend to lean towards a bit on the heavy side.

For a mule deer at 500 yards, I'd probably grab my 7 MM Rem Mag or similar. If shooting a small whitetail at 200, with the right bullet, I think any .223 and up is capable of doing the job with good bullet placement. I think that with the newer bullets out these days, the .223 has been "reborn" as to capabilities. Still, my minimum caliber I'd use on any deer-sized critter is a .257 Roberts, mine being loaded with a 100 TSX. Going smaller on caliber doesn't mean it won't kill the animal - but prudence in distance shot and the size of the deer in your area would influence whether I'd use a .223.

For the folks who choose .223's, I think good judgement and marksmanship matters most in whether that caliber is "good enough".
 
Had a neighbor who allegedly deer hunted with a .204Ruger. Not entirely sure it's legal in my state, not entirely sure he concerned himself with season dates.

What I do know is myself and several other neighbors found several dead deer.

Draw your own conclusions.
 
I shot my largest buck ever with a 223 , 65gr Sierra spitzer bt at 125 yds. The buck dropped like I shot him with a 7 mag. It blew my mind. Bullet entered behind the right shoulder and exited the left with about a quarter sized hole. First deer I ever used a 223 on.
Beautiful buck. Yep, .223 in the right hands with a proper bullet kills them quickly.
 
Winchester has a new line of ammunition out called the super-x Power Max. in 223 rem they have a 64grain bonded pointed HP. They say that it is good for whitetail sized game. My train of thought has always been that 223 is too small for whitetail. I was just wondering if anyone has used 223 on medium deer sized game with any success, and wondering what peoples thoughts were on this new line of ammo? Thanks!
Lots of deer have been killed with the 60 grain Nosler Partition from a .223.
 
I do plan on going back to W.Va this year and would love to connect on another good buck, but that one may be hard to top. I will carry my 223 as well as a new 6 ARC. Just looking forward to a good trip.
 
I shot my largest buck ever with a 223 , 65gr Sierra spitzer bt at 125 yds. The buck dropped like I shot him with a 7 mag. It blew my mind. Bullet entered behind the right shoulder and exited the left with about a quarter sized hole. First deer I ever used a 223 on.
Very nice buck. Your home State?
 
That was a WVa deer from a few years back, never shot anything that size since. Everyone gets lucky every once in awhile. Had planned on going back home this year, but I noticed that there is a outbreak of blue tongue. Will have to wait and see now. I was amazed how the deer went down with the 223.
 
My dad just shot a buck at 230 yards with his 204. Dropped it where it stood. He also had a 17rem that has killed a few deer. He traded it to his father in law who then gave it to one of his sons. That 17 killed a lot of white tails where they stood.

It's about shot placement and the avg hunter has no business hunting. Go to a storage locker and most are shot 3 or 4 times in the guts.

My son has killed all but one of his deer with his 223 55gr at 130+ yards. 1 shot kills.

22lr has killed more deer than any other caliber and it isn't close. Your avg hunter just can't shoot.
 
My son has killed all but one of his deer with his 223 55gr at 130+ yards. 1 shot kills.

22lr has killed more deer than any other caliber and it isn't close. Your avg hunter just can't shoot.
It all goes back to what most have said on this thread. It depends on the size of the deer and where you hit them. Even here in Indiana, you could kill deer with a 22rf (NOT LEGALLY) so long as you shoot them in the ear. Even for a good shooter, if you're routinely close enough to shoot the dee you want to harvest in the ear with a 22rf, I would consider that to be less hunting and more pest control. You can claim that a 22rf has killed more deer in Texas, but you can't make that claim about Ohio, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, or Indiana. While they are technically the same species in all states, I'd still argue that a cartridge that works very well for a white tail in South Carolina, Florida, and Texas may not be up to par in regions where a mature buck can approach 300 lbs on the hoof. Yes, you could still shoot one in the ear and kill it with a 22rf, or 223, but when a 300 lb B&C steps out into the field to check a doe at 200 yds, do you really want to trust that shot to a 55-75gr .224 cal bullet, or would you prefer a heavier bullet with enough momentum to punch through the shoulder blade and maintain a straight wound channel through the vitals? It's easy to say "the hunter should get closer", or "the hunter should wait for a better shot", but are you really willing to pass on a once in a lifetime buck because you didn't bring enough gun?

I have a 167" buck hanging on the wall that I only saw for 9 seconds. During that 9 seconds, he crossed roughly 100 yds of CRP ground. The closest he got was just over 200 yds. I shot him during a 20 min break between 2 thunderstorms, and when I took the shot, he had roughly 5 feet left before he was going to be out of my sight forever. I made a high shoulder shot on him with a 25-06 using a 115gr Nosler BT running a little over 3000 fps, and that was BARELY enough bullet and gun to break his spine. For the record, 200 yards is a gimme shot if I'm sitting in my deer stand, especially with that rifle and that load which has always shot sub 1/2 moa, and has given me groups well under 1/4 moa at that distance. He dropped, and when I got to him he was still breathing. When we butchered him, the bullet broke the spine behind the shoulder, but didn't penetrate it. That was the last time I ever hunted with that load out of that rifle. It's the most accurate load I've ever shot out of any rifle (and I have several that routinely shoot under 1/2 moa), and most would consider it to be a perfect load for whitetail. It would put meat in my freezer from now to eternity with no problem, and it didn't fail me, but I'll never hunt with it again.

So, yes a 223 will kill deer when its loaded properly, but that doesn't make it a good universal deer cartridge for everyone, everywhere.
 
I learned a long time ago speed kills, I have had more bang flops with my muzzle loader than any other,next up is my 243, the only time I had any run was shooting premium bullets and they didn't do as much damage as they made 2 holes. the 223 works similar but the distance would be shorter, about 125y is the farthest I have taken deer with it, 20y is about the farthest run and most flopped right there, I have never felt under gunned carrying it shooting 62g and 64g deer rounds. Had a deer go close to 200y after a shot through both lungs with my 6mm arc, target bullet up close made a 1/2" hole in and 2" out, I was surprised but knew the risks with that bullet. Will go to hunting bullets next season. Shot some deer with the hog hammers and was worried for no reason about a quick kill with the 223, They worked well. the 6arc deer bled every step so it was a easy find. 2 holes give more of a chance to blood track but I prefer to dump all of the energy into the deer.
 
When I am at our local Texas range or watering hole & someone introduces a new guy he gets 2 questions run together: "Do you put beans in your chili & do you think a .223 is a good deer round?" Everyone rolls their eyes & has a big laugh & drops the topic!
 
It all goes back to what most have said on this thread. It depends on the size of the deer and where you hit them. Even here in Indiana, you could kill deer with a 22rf (NOT LEGALLY) so long as you shoot them in the ear. Even for a good shooter, if you're routinely close enough to shoot the dee you want to harvest in the ear with a 22rf, I would consider that to be less hunting and more pest control. You can claim that a 22rf has killed more deer in Texas, but you can't make that claim about Ohio, Kansas, Iowa, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, or Indiana. While they are technically the same species in all states, I'd still argue that a cartridge that works very well for a white tail in South Carolina, Florida, and Texas may not be up to par in regions where a mature buck can approach 300 lbs on the hoof. Yes, you could still shoot one in the ear and kill it with a 22rf, or 223, but when a 300 lb B&C steps out into the field to check a doe at 200 yds, do you really want to trust that shot to a 55-75gr .224 cal bullet, or would you prefer a heavier bullet with enough momentum to punch through the shoulder blade and maintain a straight wound channel through the vitals? It's easy to say "the hunter should get closer", or "the hunter should wait for a better shot", but are you really willing to pass on a once in a lifetime buck because you didn't bring enough gun?

I have a 167" buck hanging on the wall that I only saw for 9 seconds. During that 9 seconds, he crossed roughly 100 yds of CRP ground. The closest he got was just over 200 yds. I shot him during a 20 min break between 2 thunderstorms, and when I took the shot, he had roughly 5 feet left before he was going to be out of my sight forever. I made a high shoulder shot on him with a 25-06 using a 115gr Nosler BT running a little over 3000 fps, and that was BARELY enough bullet and gun to break his spine. For the record, 200 yards is a gimme shot if I'm sitting in my deer stand, especially with that rifle and that load which has always shot sub 1/2 moa, and has given me groups well under 1/4 moa at that distance. He dropped, and when I got to him he was still breathing. When we butchered him, the bullet broke the spine behind the shoulder, but didn't penetrate it. That was the last time I ever hunted with that load out of that rifle. It's the most accurate load I've ever shot out of any rifle (and I have several that routinely shoot under 1/2 moa), and most would consider it to be a perfect load for whitetail. It would put meat in my freezer from now to eternity with no problem, and it didn't fail me, but I'll never hunt with it again.

So, yes a 223 will kill deer when its loaded properly, but that doesn't make it a good universal deer cartridge for everyone, everywhere.

Considering quite a few elk have fallen to the .223 using proper bullets, a 300lb B&C WT isn’t that big of a deal.

The fallacy that a rutted up Midwestern deer is somehow harder to kill than a TX or SC WT just needs to die. While that buck may be 125 lbs heavier, most of that weight is in the hams, guts, and depth of chest. They aren’t that much wider.
 
Lung tissue is really soft, the heart isn't that wide, and there's not much meat on the ribs or even the front legs. The question is how thick are the bones and I don't know the answer to that question. A properly constructed .224 bullet that is properly placed with the appropriate impact velocity would likely kill almost anything on the planet. The question is how far a person can deviate from all of those nominal conditions and still not only effectively kill the animal in question, but also retrieve it. For someone who wants to go smaller, there's always one more step that could be taken (ie 20 Practical with 55gr bergers). Same for those that want to go bigger or faster. Each hunter will need to determine how big/small they are willing to go just like they need to determine how far is too far to be taking the shot. To each their own.
 

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