223/556 Heading for Obsolescence Soon?

[AJC]

You’re kidding with this right?
Every pistol mfg on the planet hascome witha 45 ACP offering, 1/2 of them in 1911’s, you know,like small cottage outfits like Remington, Springfield, Ruger, etc.
1911’s in 45 have NEVER been as popular.

I'm 100% sure that was sarcastic

 

[kzin]

I'm 100% sure that was sarcastic

I'll make it 200%

 

[Liven The Dream]

.223/5.56 is not going away unless the AR-15 goes away. Of course, some states and activist groups are already trying to make this happen. If semi-autos are a thing of the past, then .223 is not really the best at anything anymore. Can't even hunt with it in my state. That being said, I'm never selling mine.

The .223 and .308 are in the International Target Game Palma and F/TR . This will be around for awhile .

 

[kzin]

The 6.8 mentioned is NOT spc or any other existing round!

They've announced they're going to make a huge change to a specification that no existing round meets in a fairly short time period.

I believe there is virtually 0 chance this happens on schedule and moderate chance it happens within 10 years of target.

Also, even full adoption of the new 6.8 by front-line combat troops will leave a lot of 556 ARs in the hands of support troops.

 

[sscoyote]

Do you have a link?

INTJ it was in Army Times Vol. 79 Issue 23.

 

[riflewoman]

They might be going to 6.8 for some applications, but abandoning the 5.56 will require renegotiating a whole bunch of STANAG agreements with NATO. Ain’t happening soon.

 

[chevytruck_83]

I don’t see it going anywhere. I’m hard pressed to beat my jp precision ctr-02 at 200 yards with any of my bolt action rifles. It’s such an accurate inexpensive round to shoot.

 

[Knotwild]

You can't expect the military decision makers to do anything right. They chose the M14 over the AR10, the 5.56 for a serious battle cartridge, and recently selected Sig's 9mm entry to replace the Beretta by NOT running it in head to head tests with the Glock. I think when they retire they go to work for Remington.

 

[JMayo]

I wonder what happened to the thought process of hurting them just a little rather that cutting them in half ....
Lmao !

 

[Knotwild]

I wonder what happened to the thought process of hurting them just a little rather that cutting them in half ....
Lmao !

Somewhere there are people that invent really deep thoughts (that are highly irrelevant):
- If you wound the enemy, he will have to be cared for and therefore deplete more
of their resources and manpower. (Right!, think of how many American heroes have
really put a hurt on the enemy after being wounded).
- With a small round, a soldier can carry significantly more ammunition. (Brilliant, he
expends it like crazy because hethinks he has abundant ammo.)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-forced-to-import-bullets- from-israel-as-troops-use-250000-for-every-rebel-killed-314944.html
- The Japanese would wait until they heard the clip ping out of the M1 Garand on the
last shot, then attack!I really have to wonder about that one, especially about who
thought it up and what the charging Japanese did when he was cut down by the guy
in the next foxhole, who hadn't pinged yet. Brilliant.

Those stick in my head, but if they let half the guys who fight make the choices, while the other half isolate the politicians, career military decision makers, and the lobbyists, things would really be interesting on the battle field.

 

[shoot4fun]

Going from the 1911 to M9 Beretta didn't kill of the 1911.
Going from a 45ACP to a 9MM didn't kill off 45ACP.
Going from 30-06 to 223/5.56 (in a manner of speaking) didn't kill 30-06.
Need more proof that the 223/5.56 is here to stay?

 

[hogpatrol]

Just read in a military publication that the military's going to the 6.8 for most of their uses. Anyone got a prediction for the future of 223/556?

It's a NATO round. What are all the other countries going to do, switch too?

Somebody's smoking something and it ain't tobacco

 

[243Mendoza]

Just read in a military publication that the military's going to the 6.8 for most of their uses. Anyone got a prediction for the future of 223/556?

i'll believe it when i see it!

 

[lightman]

Regardless of what new cartridge the military adopts I expect the 223/5.56 will be around for many years. Like the others posted, look at the 45 auto, 7.62 and 30-06.

As to surplus brass running out, I'm still using LC Match brass from the 60's. Brass last awhile.

 

[243Mendoza]

One good thing if the military goes with the 6.8, the Left/Democrats can no longer whine about civilians having access to military arms i.e. 5.56 firearms

 

[hogpatrol]

One good thing if the military goes with the 6.8, the Left/Democrats can no longer whine about civilians having access to military arms i.e. 5.56 firearms

The CM/wannabe sniper crowd will run out and buy a load of the 6.8s semi autos and the anti-gun whiners will be on it like stink on S**T.

 

[JohnKielly]

As much as we like to make fun of this round I feel it would be a better choice. Why not any of the 6.5 or 7mm already available.

Probably the same reason the .556 came about. Remington patented the military .22 trial calibre as the .222 Magnum and the government wasn't going to pay them royalties so they redesigned it off the .222 case.

 

[AJC]

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Probably the same reason the .556 came about. Remington patented the military .22 trial calibre as the .222 Magnum and the government wasn't going to pay them royalties so they redesigned it off the .222 case.

Ok then make a 6.5x57 and be done. The 7×57 was/is amazing and a 6.5 version would be just like a 6.5 sweed, which I'm considering over a creedmore. All that good creedmore brass is hard to pass up though

 

[IdahoSharpshooter]

I predict: by the year 2045, the military will have gone thru seven more cartridge changes, and the 223 will still be the basic AR-15 chambering. Oh, yeah, the military will have run out of clown show handguns, and finally gone to the Glock. They will have spent over 100 million trying to get anything else to work as well.

They (military) have no common sense. That's why the Marines have to have entirely different aircraft than the Navy to put on the same ships.

 

[hogpatrol]

It's all about whose senator is on which committee and on whose plate will be served government pork. The military industrial complex is an octopus whose tentacles are in almost every state and why the defense budget is so large. It employs so many people, it will only shrink when we go broke (like the Soviet Union did).